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  1. angelis

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    #1 angelis, Oct 9, 2009
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    Today, a deal has been done to purchase a very special engine. It's from a 348 that raced at Le Mans.

    A custom engine built by Ferrari to race at Le Mans it is based on a 355 block (although the 355 wasn't launched at the time the engine was built) mated to a 348 engine. It was further enhanced and modified by the team that raced it with titanium conrods, Cosworth internals etc. I believe it's now a 3.5 litre engine rather than a 3.4 litre.

    It's currently pumping out 480bhp and redlines at 9400rpm and was more powerful than the Micholotto 348's that raced at Le Mans. The bhp figure comes from an engine dyno rather than a rolling road/hub dyno and makes it more powerful than a 360CS.

    Only 6 engines like it were ever made. Of the other 5 engines, one is in the 348 Le Mans race car and the other 4 are believed to be in various race cars, assuming they still exist.

    The 348 took part in the Le Mans 24 hours race in 1993 (when it was crashed into by Eddie Irvine) and again in 1994 where it retired with clutch problems on lap 57. It has also been raced in the last few years as well although I have no details of where.

    Over the next few months we'll be adapting it to work in a road car as well as making a few technical modifications. It's not going to be easy as I want to be able to pose down the Kings Road as well as blast along on track days. I also want to concentrate on acceleration rather than overall top speed.

    I was hoping to install a 360 F1 gearbox, but it won't fit. For the time being we'll use the existing 348 gearbox and maybe strengthen it. I'll be investigating the underfloor panelling as well and I need to sort out a rear spoiler as well.

    We haven't decided on which ECU system to use, although at the moment the Motec M800 looks favourite and it will allow us to have various maps which i can choose at the push of a button. eg: for road use, track use, or ******* scary as hell use. We'll also be installing the racelogic traction control system that I already have and a quantum racing adjustable suspension system.

    The plan is to have it ready by January 2010. Once finished it will be one of a kind. A road going Ferrari with an original Le Mans race engine. According to those in the know, it will be as wild as an F40 but without the turbo lag.

    Special thanks to Adam (Hazy) for finding the engine for me. :thumbsup:

    Also thanks to Dave Helms and Mitch and everyone else who gave me advice about the engine.

    Haven't seen the engine myself, but below are a couple of pics from their website and a picture of the 348 car the engine was used in.

    Also a video of its sister car.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYsQWOoySY8

    I'll start up a thread once we start work on it. I'm sure some of you will be interested in how the project progresses. :thumbsup:
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  2. plugzit

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    I'm green with envy......
     
  3. sambomydog

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    Talking of green, thats the "Totip" creation/monster:D And you say you have and are fitting one of them Le mans engines? OMG! Please keep us informed.
     
  4. ernie

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    #4 ernie, Oct 9, 2009
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    That is nothing short of BADASS Sy!

    Have you asked the guys you're buying the engine from about the ecu's they ran? How about hitting up Andy to see what it takes to hook up a 355 6 speed to the back of that thing.
     
  5. GrigioGuy

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    Wow.


    FWIW, I've seen a thread here about installing a mating a 355 tranny with the 3.4, so -that- is possible.
     
  6. NeuroBeaker

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    Holy crap, Sy!!

    :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

    That'll be a thread I greatly anticipate! ;)

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
  7. angelis

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    #7 angelis, Oct 9, 2009
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    Not sure exactly what they ran, but I think it was a MBE ECU as they have created the maps for it.

    When they received the 348 and engines, the first thing they doid was rip out the gearbox and suspension and send it back. they used a race gearbox instead. The suspension was desgined by a Formula designer who's first name is Mario.

    Under the deal, the race car company were obliged to send back the 348 to Ferrari do that they could check it over. Evidently, the 355 suspension is based on that particular design.

    I'm running with teh 348 gearbox for the time being. Going to visit Andy in teh next week or so as I need to check out the softness of huis dampers so will have a look again at the gearbox mod.
     
  8. ernie

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    Do you think you can get the maps from them? I would think that would help cut down on dyno time to tune it.

    Flippin-a Sy, that is just awesome bro!
     
  9. angelis

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    Thanks everyone

    Once it's installed, they are going to remap it for me on their rolling road. I'll make sure i do a video of it. :D
     
  10. angelis

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    By the way, i thought those trumpets were made of black plastic and I asked if we could change them for chrome ones like andy has.

    It turns out they are made from carbon fiber!!!
     
  11. angelis

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    Here's the engine spec.

    Ted Wenz crank,
    Cosworth Spec Pistons, Cams and Valve Springs.
    Large valves.
    Individual throttle butterflies.
    Titanium rods.
    Ported and polished heads.
    MBE Engine Management.
    Freshly rebuilt, no miles.
    480bhp and revs to 9400rpm.
    Complete with map and engine loom.

    We'll probably end up detuning the engine to 450bhp and limiting it to 8500rpm.
     
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    What a find! This is going to be FUN! Congrats.

    Cheers
     
  13. AceMaster

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    Very nice Sy.
     
  14. albert328gts

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    WOW, DAMN, HOLLY CRAP!!!! I want it. Great find, good luck with it.
     
  15. Jam

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    Wow, that's cool. Lucky, enjoy.
     
  16. UConn Husky

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    WOW, very impressive find Sy! You'll end up with a great car with an impressive authentic Ferrari history...looking forward to following your project!

    Cheers!
     
  17. Luc

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    WOW WOW WOW !
    Lucky man !
     
  18. Kaivball

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    What a sweet project.

    How often will you be changing the belts? (Just kidding :))

    Kai
     
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    Just chiming in to say HELL YES! That's going to be such a unique car when you are done with it!
     
  20. Night life

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    #21 Night life, Oct 9, 2009
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    Sy you suck :D:D:D:D






    I am sooooooooo jealous.........Good for you my man


    Wow now you can give Andy H a run for his money.............hmmmm maybe pink slips :D:D:D
     
  21. Miltonian

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    A bracket between the belt tensioners - that's interesting.

    What do they do for the exhaust?
     
  22. ernie

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    I would imagine straight pipes.
     
  23. gothspeed

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    .................... first congratulations on the engine :) ................... though why would you want to 'detune' it :confused:?????

    Assuming the 480HP @ 9400RPM value is accurate .......... if/when you take the RPM limit down to 8500 rpm you will end up with about 434 HP not 450 ............. about what my F355 spider will have when I am done with it ......... Hahahahahahahhaaaaa .... :p :p :p
     
  24. PAP 348

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    That is AWESOME Sy!! :D:D

    Congrats mate!! Its going to be a toss up between you and Andy as to who has the BADDEST 348 on the planet! :eek::eek:

    Good one mate! We all cant wait to see how this turns out! :D:D
     

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