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Discussion in '612/599' started by Kyle Stoffer, Sep 23, 2019.

  1. Kyle Stoffer

    Kyle Stoffer Rookie

    Sep 23, 2019
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    Looking to pick up a 599 with the HGTE package. Located one in Florida and drove it, seemed solid. A few questions for those that know these cars.

    Transmission lurched on initial start at low speeds...is this normal?

    When shifting there was a noticeable lurch or lag in acceleration on shifts, I’m comparing it to the PDK in a 997 Turbo S which when you pulled the paddle the shift was like a hammer, seemed much quicker and more violent than the 599. Again, is this normal?

    Last question, the tops of the pins that held the door to the frame of the car were painted white (color of the car). The 5 or 6 other 599s I’ve looked at, those pins were clearly installed after paint, is this a concern?

    Anything else I should be concerned with. Car has 8,500 miles and clutch read is 60% remaining...which seems low compared to others with similar miles but I know that is simply the computer making a calculation vs an actual physical measurement.

    Thanks for the help, looking forward to joining the Ferrari community.
     
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  2. lee-o

    lee-o Karting

    Dec 8, 2011
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    Welcome - the clutch reading does seem to be a bit low for that mileage, and you should have a smooth takeaway and solid shifts with the 599 transmission. What you describe doesn't sound normal. Is this a dealer car or private party? Lots of dealers in Florida, who should be able to do a pre-purchase inspection. In terms of what else to look for, ball joints, the magneto shocks, and brakes (does this one have carbon ceramic?) should be evaluated.
     
  3. randkin

    randkin Formula 3

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    I don't own a 599 but do have a 612 OTO with the latest F1 system which has the same F1 as the 599. I also own a 997.2 Turbo S and I have to say the 997.2 Turbo S is quite a bit smoother shifting than my 612 OTO with F1. But I would not call the F1 shifting a lurch either but when the 612 is not warmed up and in auto mode it is pretty rough compared to the DCT Porsche system. That is just another reason to warm up the 599 and not use the auto mode. I never use the auto mode as I don't care for how the auto mode shifts. You might try driving another Fcar with the newer F1 system as either another 599 or a 612 OTO as all the OTO 612s will all have the same F1 system for a basis of comparison.

    Also keep in mind the 60% ESTIMATE on the clutch life is just that an ESTIMATE. There are other threads which go into this issue. But there may be a reason for higher clutch usage – perhaps no one told the first owner not to back up hills/inclines as that causes abnormally high clutch usage. The dealer where I purchased my car said nothing about backing uphill and only learned about the issue hear on FerrariChat. My car had an estimated 92% remaining clutch life at 5.5k miles so that was never an issue I brought up at purchase.

    Happy hunting!
     
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  4. Kiwi599

    Kiwi599 Rookie

    Mar 6, 2019
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    Judder on take off is a sign of clutch wear. Get it measured for sure as it’s an expensive fix. Check shocks for leaks. The shocks are the biggest issue here. They all go over time, not mileage as the rubbers decompose.

    The F1 gearbox does take a bit to get used to, and yes at first it seems like the shifts are slow and lumpy. Shouldn’t be an issue as the more you drive it the better it will feel. They aren’t the smoothest gearbox in the world, nor anything like the Porsche.

    Not sure about the door pins. Mine are body coloured as well.

    Good luck.
     
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  5. Kyle Stoffer

    Kyle Stoffer Rookie

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  6. F612

    F612 Formula Junior

    Feb 5, 2018
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    I had a 997.2 S and loved it.
    The first time I drove a 612 OTO with the F1 S shifter I thought something was wrong!
    The Porsche PDK is amazing but requires no skill or involvement to use. It is very utilitarian.
    The Ferrari requires engagement to drive well. You don’t “ride in it”, you drive it.
    At my age and back issues, a 3 pedal for daily driving is too much.
    I bought the 612. After a year and a half, I bought a 575 for daily driving. I also bought a 991 with an amazing, improved transmission. But I’d rather drive the “old” transmission car(s). It’s a lot more fun.
     
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  7. Skidkid

    Skidkid F1 Veteran
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    The two clutch systems, and therefor the transmissions, are VERY different. The PDK is a dual clutch, wet system. The 599 has a dual plate, dry clutch. You wouldn't expect them to drive anything alike and you need to drive the 599 more akin to a 3 pedal car since that is essentially what it is. With the 599 you can feel the clutch engage just like any 3 pedal car. The PDK drives a lot like an automatic, just push the gas and go. So is what your feeling the clutch engaging or a problem, no way to diagnose that no the internet.
     
  8. George Vosburgh

    George Vosburgh F1 Rookie

    May 26, 2011
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    Sounds like a typical low mileage 599 that was abused instead of being driven correctly. I have 45K on my car with the original clutch and no problems what so ever.
     
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  9. Mor

    Mor Karting

    Oct 14, 2017
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    I’ve 911 997.2 with PDK and also 599. Two different words with shifting, but in Sport or Race mode F599 isn’t any worse in my opinion. Clutch and everything with F1 system in perfect condition required to get perfect shifts.


    Wysłane z iPhone za pomocą FerrariChat
     
  10. LightGuy

    LightGuy Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Be patient and find the best car for you.
    The good news is that 599s especially hgtes continue to depreciate so the longer your hunt the better financilally.
    Fyi f12s do as well.
    The gap between hgte and f12 narrows.
     
  11. Kyle Stoffer

    Kyle Stoffer Rookie

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  12. Kyle Stoffer

    Kyle Stoffer Rookie

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  13. Skidkid

    Skidkid F1 Veteran
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    Well done and a great looking car. I considered white but got red. What does your interior look like? Congratulations!
     
  14. Philipnz

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    Fantastic, from a new 599 owner in NZ
     
  15. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Kyle- Very pretty. Congratulations.
     
  16. Kyle Stoffer

    Kyle Stoffer Rookie

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  17. Modena_2003

    Modena_2003 Karting
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    Amazing 599!

    Congrats!
     
  18. FerrariTexas

    FerrariTexas Rookie

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    That's fun - congrats. Great thread and wonderful advice!
     
  19. Nospinzone

    Nospinzone F1 Rookie

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    Very nice. Congrats and I wish you good luck with it.
     
  20. George Vosburgh

    George Vosburgh F1 Rookie

    May 26, 2011
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    Beautiful car, best of luck!
     

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