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LOTS (pardon the pun) of GTC coming up for sale

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  1. EdwardLovett

    EdwardLovett Karting

    Mar 22, 2013
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    Interested to see what happens at Pebble with such a high number of GTC's going under the hammer.

    They seem to have slowed in recent months with a non sale at Newport Beach and a number of dealers marketing them for a few months now.

    Have they reached their ceiling??
     
  2. PAUL BABER

    PAUL BABER Formula 3

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    Have you sold the Tandy car yet ?
     
  3. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I know of three so far for the MRY/PB auctions. Is that "a lot" or "lots"?

    Marcel Massini
     
  4. EdwardLovett

    EdwardLovett Karting

    Mar 22, 2013
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    Bonhams x 2
    Gooding x 2
    RM x2

    I think it's a lot for 3 days of auctions
     
  5. geno berns

    geno berns F1 Rookie

    Oct 26, 2006
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    So what does this mean the fact that there will be 6 on offer at the Pebble sales? Most owners have $50-$220K in their 330 GTC unless the cars were bought more recently. There could be lot's of reasons why the cars are being sold, but I can see certain owners wanting to cash out due to the current valuations and move the cash into other acquisitions.
     
  6. ersatzS2

    ersatzS2 Formula Junior

    Jan 24, 2009
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    N=6 should provide better-than-usual visibility on GTC pricing. Although, ironically that is <1% of cars produced, right, so actually _fewer_ cars proportionately than many others on the block...
     
  7. EdwardLovett

    EdwardLovett Karting

    Mar 22, 2013
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    Better than usual visibility I would agree with.

    Consider that there are also a number of GTC publicly advertised today also.

    There are a few GTB's for sale but very few are being openly advertised.

    The prices to appear to be all over the place for these at the moment in my opinion.
     
  8. mdw3

    mdw3 Karting

    Jan 2, 2005
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    With so many cars coming up for sale in the same week, and several well-publicized cars remaining for sale for an extended period at highly-visible dealers at this time, I would expect to see some no-sales (in the case of owners whose expectations may have been set too high), and then some more realistic results (for owners who are willing to let go at a real market price).

    Michael
     
  9. RWebber

    RWebber Formula Junior

    Apr 17, 2013
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    And Edward is one of those highly visible dealers.
    How coincidentally quaint to start a thread like this when he is looking to buy such a GTC ...
     
  10. xs10shl

    xs10shl Formula 3

    Dec 17, 2003
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    If memory serves, a few years ago they sold 6 275 GTBs the same week in Monterey. Different car, different market, but "6" is not an unheard-of number of examples. Also consider there are probably 50-75% more cars being offered for sale in Monterey when compared to a few years ago.
     
  11. EdwardLovett

    EdwardLovett Karting

    Mar 22, 2013
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    I am indeed looking to buy one and I am interested to see if people feel the market will move on for these at Pebble or perhaps slow.
     
  12. mdw3

    mdw3 Karting

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    OK armchair experts, so what is a GTC worth now??!? For your perusal (all prices including applicable buyer's premiums, but not any sales taxes):

    -330 GTC 10105 SOLD Bonham's $467,500
    -330 GTC 09125 UNSOLD Bonham's (est. $475,000 - 550,000)
    -330 GTC 11517 SOLD Gooding $946,000 (est. $500,000 - 600,000)
    -365 GTC 12191 UNSOLD Gooding (est. $800,000 - 900,000)
    -330 GTC 10745 ?? RM (est. $425,000 - 525,000)
    -365 GTC 12203 ?? RM (est. $800,000 - 1,000,000)

    If anyone can supply the applicable RM results that would be appreciated, as I wasn't there.
     
  13. kjslider

    kjslider Rookie

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    The 365 GTC offered at RM hammered sold at 690k.
     
  14. amenasce

    amenasce Three Time F1 World Champ
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    11517 is anything special?
     
  15. ersatzS2

    ersatzS2 Formula Junior

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    Extreme restoration apparently. I wouldn't own just because of color (fly yellow?) but to each his own. Certainly a very strong price; world record?

    Complete with Books, Tools, and Restoration Records
    The First Ever 330 GTC Invited to Pebble Beach
    Two-Time Platinum Award Winner
    Stunning Junior Conway Paintwork and Tony Nancy Interior
    Ferrari Classiche Certified
    Documented by Ferrari Historian Marcel Massini
     
  16. tritone

    tritone F1 Veteran
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    Likely the best so far.....but there might be a nicer one coming....right Mike?
     
  17. babci

    babci Formula Junior
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    Yours was not so bad.
     
  18. El Wayne

    El Wayne F1 World Champ
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    Update:

    330 GTC 10105 SOLD Bonham's $467,500
    330 GTC 09125 SOLD Bonham's $520,000
    330 GTC 11517 SOLD Gooding $946,000
    365 GTC 12191 UNSOLD Gooding (est. $800,000 - 900,000)
    330 GTC 10745 SOLD RM $418,000
    365 GTC 12203 SOLD RM $759,000
     
  19. John B

    John B Formula 3

    May 27, 2003
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    Curious if anyone knows what country the Gooding GTC at $946k went to?
    That's a shocking number compared to the others.

    I understand it was nicely restored, but $500k buys a LOT of nice.
     
  20. miurasv

    miurasv F1 World Champ

    Nov 19, 2008
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    Talacrest sold 2 365 GTCs at the weekend.
     
  21. naparsei

    naparsei Formula Junior

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    #21 naparsei, Sep 2, 2013
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    Do you know which SN# and what price?

    Thanks,
    Alex
     
  22. miurasv

    miurasv F1 World Champ

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    One of the cars was RHD #12601. See here: Ferrari 365 GTC - For Sale At Talacrest

    I do not know the prices and don't have details of the other car. It hadn't yet been placed on Talacrest's web site before being sold.
     
  23. EdwardLovett

    EdwardLovett Karting

    Mar 22, 2013
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  24. John B

    John B Formula 3

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    I thought 10105 was well bought at the Quail.
    It seems like a very nice car, numbers matching, nice original colors, tools & books, Borranis & Chromadoras, good history.

    Good for Fantasy Junction.
     
  25. EdwardLovett

    EdwardLovett Karting

    Mar 22, 2013
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    I agree, was probably the buy of the weekend vs it's comparisons.
     

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