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Hmmm, wasn’t a fire at the campagnolo mg wheel plant the reason they switched suppliers in the early 80’s? Across the board ferrari, abarth, alfa, lancia etc...campy’s were unavailable for a period on the road and race cars. Tecnomagesio then acquired the rights to campy wheels and start reproducing bravos again, at least for the optional jalpa wheels. Now the conglomerate MIM owns the trademark for tecno’s mundane road wheel division since the late 90’s as I recall.
Perhaps on Facebook where the demographics are 53% female versus 47% male, many of whom are teenagers and seniors. On the other hand in a relevant Countach community consisting of many people who are actually Countach owners whose opinion on Countach wings is relevant as they can actually add or remove the wing, and others who are car enthusiasts and potential future Countach owners, the verdict is very clearly and indisputably in favor of no wing https://lamborghinichat.com/forum/threads/countach-wing-or-no-wing.590952/ I must have literally dozens & dozens of images of Countachs in my Registry archive of cars which came from the factory with a wing, and have had them removed, in fact, in the last week or so I have posted no less than 8 such cars. It is clear that the trend in modern times is to remove the wing, and as these cars age, I predict that this tread will continue. Added to that, let's not forget that most cars in fact did not come from the factory supplied with a wing when the cars were new, so most original owners clearly did not prefer the wing, and neither did Lamborghini itself LOL a plant fire would be a great reason to look for a new supplier! Alas, that was not the reason. Patrick told me himself that besides cracking and supply-reliability issues with the magnesium wheels Campagnolo made for Lamborghini for their Countach, he admired the work of Silvano Oselladore & Pietro Zen, and his engineers headed by Guilio Alfieri thought electron wheels were a necessary upgrade for the Countach. Bear in mind that Campagnolo did not make just Bravos for the Countach, they also made the smooth-dish wheels for the LP400S S2 and LP400S S3. The plan was for them to be replaced by Ozzeta's electron wheels for the advent of the new LP500S, but the first 20 or so cars still had Campagnolo cast magnesium wheels, after that it was Ozzetta for the rest of Countach production. I've owned half-a-dozen 4 liter Countachs which had magnesium Campagnolo wheels, I had the wheels removed and sent off to be crack-checked
As it stands, our sample group is too small for a worldwide conclusive decision. A large percentage, or a mere 25 votes, like a Countach both ways. The wingless received 10 more votes. FB demographics and FB demographics in the groups on FB are entirely different. Anyone that took a course in Statistics can see the flaws. The only conclusion I see is that there is a preference for wingless on this site by 10 registered users. In person, I can't remember a single person ever telling me my car would look better if I removed the wing. Fun observation. Oddly, of the few females (face it - the Countach is a dude magnet) that have came over to look at the car, all seem to touch the wing with their hand. Predictable & yet somewhat strange at the same time. For those with a wing, watch for it.
That's significant because they are either actually Countach owners, or potential future Countach owners.
No matter how you try and spin it, the only place the Countach is preferred wingless is in your little world. Those polls are taken off Countach FB pages with plenty of owners, where you wont find many woman on board. As a matter of fact I cant think of a single woman on them.
No spin, just facts, that's the world I live in: 1. The factory itself did not prefer the wing, therefore they did not attempt test or Homologate it, and facilitated it's fitment only as an aftermarket component. 2. The majority of original owners did not prefer the wing, this is clearly documented in many period production images of cars awaiting collection @ Sant Agata, when new, wings were in the minority, I witnessed this first-hand during the production period. 3. It's clearly becoming less preferred by actual Countach owners as time goes by, as documented by how many have removed the wing in recent times off cars which originally came supplied with one. 4. In a dedicated Lamborghini community consisting of plenty of Countach owners, no wing is preferred by significantly more people https://lamborghinichat.com/forum/threads/countach-wing-or-no-wing.590952/ However, I actually do like the early Dallara-supplied fully-adjustable wings without end-plates on the LP400S, such as the one on 1121038 Image Unavailable, Please Login
Even on the poll you try to cling to, there is a less than 10% difference with a vote swayed by you and your 3 minions, not to mention those whose votes were for love/hate wing.
No spin, just clear statement of 4 facts, quite different from a subjective popularity contest. No minions on this forum either, just people who decide what they like, all adults. I think. Meanwhile there were @ 90 representative votes from an obviously larger pool, with 10 more stating a definite preference for the wing, however you look at it, a 10% majority is significant, a representative conclusion that emphatically underscores the 4 facts.
Not to mention which Countach we're actually talking about! LP400, low-body S, S3, 5000S, QV, Anniversario... I have different wing choice for each of them. And I guess I'm not the only one.
There is only 1 fact, and thats that the wing is more popular,of course with the correct wing style mounted to its corresponding Countach.
The LP400 were almost all wingless aside from Wolf's Dallara-supplied fully-adjustable wings, and, since we are in the LP400S thread, 1121098 is symbolic of many LP400S delivered wingless, as was the case across the entire Countach variant range Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
If I go down my Registry, I can see that so many LP400S were delivered wingless Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
This is also noted upon delivery (in this case in Canada) with their first owners, I believe the wings became more popular in the 80s and many cars had them added then, now the trend is to take them off again Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Of note, both Countachs that showed up to the Cannonball Run premiere were wingless Image Unavailable, Please Login
No argument some were and some not delivered with the wing, or a few wings were added sometime after delivery. The argument so many were added sometime in the 80s has a flaw. There is a progression of wing style that changes as the VIN numbers climb. If owners added wings whenever in the 80s, you'd see random styles from one to the next throughout the run. Howerver, earlier 400S winged cars had the adjustable non end plate Moody wing, then the end plates were added and so on. These styles run in progression until the next change, this tells me they were not just added whenever.
You can post as many wingless Countach pics as youd like. For every 1 wingless pic, there are 10 winged pics. I honestly like it both ways, but recently was going to remove my wing, and couldn't bring myself to do it. In my own poll among friends, my wife etc everyone agreed they would definitely not take off the wing. On my Instagram with 20k people, the overwhelming majority also agreed, absolutely not. I like how the wingless look makes the car look so low from the side, but I think the wing makes the car looks much meaner from the back and the front.
I see what you're saying however the wings added in the 80s I'm referring to were not just added to LP400S, but LP500S and QV as well, the latter two more so, and I'm personally aware of many cars that were not delivered with wings and then gained wings during this period. For example, Portman Lamborghini procured & sold a lot of wings post-delivery in the UK. Besides the Moody wing for the LP400S, the wings were uniform in big and then later in small guise and looked similar and we can see a good mix of random application. For example I'm aware of a number of LP400S cars with the wrong later wing with end-plates. Meanwhile you'll note that correct Moody wings originally delivered with LP400S are in fact quite rare if you check any Registry for the cars.
Why are you living in other peoples decisions? Don't go by a poll, If YOU want to take it off, take it off. Be it for a couple weeks or couple of months. You can always put it back on. My wing has been off and on about 3 times. Currently it is off. I prefer it that way. Do what you would like to do. As you said, and I agree, it looks good both ways.
Now the embarrassing downside.....my wing is a fake! But it looks ok on the car. After I restored the wing it was hard to throw it in the trash. I've been meaning to post close ups of it to determine who made, style.....because it is pretty darn nice. I am surprised that the wing issue STILL goes on and on and on. Whether it belongs is down to personal taste. Even it if was mounted in house, some people's taste will bring them to removing it. *******, let's just move on from the wing. I think there is a wing thread anyway.
Thank you Joe!! Very excited to be bringing this car to Miami and putting the 1980s lights back ON! Thank you Gaetan for helping us find this piece of history.
Here is 1121006, with a little help from my good friends, we are getting the drivers seat and speaker location back to factory or more closer to factory than the butcher job that was done a few decades ago. I have a fiberglass guy ready to go and re-do inside there as close to factory as can be. Image Unavailable, Please Login
