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  1. Lambocars666

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  2. Lemacc

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    Nice colour images. You can see the Hubert Hahne Sticker on the rear of the Countach. Note the Lamborghini Titanium bike in the foreground and the turbo engine in the background.
     
  3. raymondQV

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    Don't forget the nice silver Silhouette, much more important than the bycicle and the lousy mockup Turbo.
     
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  5. joe sackey

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    I'm not sure "very well preserved" is an accurate reflection of this Countach's condition, because although it appears quite nice, all 4 corners have been cut to install USA DOT-type side markers, and it is replete with non-original items. Some of them are, USA Aeroquip hardware, seemingly composite materials replacement air-boxes, red powered coated water pipes, replacement seat belts with red webbing, painted bumper grills etc.

    That said, all theses items can be reversed if one is inclined to spend the time & money required to do so.
     
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  6. raymondQV

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    This is #1121386, swiss delivery, #343, 12.11.1981, Lamborghini SA,

    The seat belts are original as well as the US side markers, many CT's which didn't make it to US were sold in Europe although built as US versions.
    The car is in a good state and the cosmetical things can easily be reverted.

    It' belonging to the former owner of Harley Senn, famous in switzerland for his Chooper version of Harleys. http://www.sennchopper.ch/history.htm
    Just Next village to where I live, I know this car since 2002, compared to the past it's much more refined and was well used (from 22 to 74 t Km).
     
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  7. joe sackey

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    Thanks for verifying the chassis number.

    I'll gladly take your word for it Raymond, but a number of things do not add up for me.

    The combination of all the USA Aeroquip hardware in the engine bay and the 70s recessed USA DOT side-markers (as used on Miuras, Espadas, Silhouettes & Uraccos in the USA) suggest to me that car was actually in the USA early in it's life at some point, in fact a particular compliance agent in the USA used those specific recessed USA DOT side-markers which are 1970s era units, whereas the Lamborghini factory used the rectangular block units which they used on the first USA DOT example CLA12507, prepared for Lamborghini USA in 1982 (see below).

    Also, by 1981, Mimran maintained his contract with Klippan for the standard seat belts with clips mounted on stalks, the only exception made was for 4-point racing harnesses, I still think those seat belts with red webbing are replacement items along with all the other red-matching items on the car such as red water pipes.

    I also do not believe the interior leather is original, the glovebox and fascia looks too padded and the French-stitching is from a later era than 1981, yet the French stitching is mixed with piping, a combination we never see from the factory.

    Again, this is just my feeling about the car based on my experience.

    Overall it looks like a nice example, and all the above can be taken back to factory specification if desired, on the other hand it can be enjoyed as-is.

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  9. raymondQV

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    I can answer this, the owner has two trunk lids one with the other without wing, since the wing is not homologated he simply installs the other lid when the car is checked by the officials.
     
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  11. Robert W

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    The other RHD Missing is 1121434. (..and the one in the Lambo Registry is 1121464)

    Acapulco blue delivered new to Hong Kong.

    Anyone know anything about this car?
     
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  13. raymondQV

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    Victor, there was as well an intervention car, have a look:
    http://www.countach.ch/History/PaceCar/index.html
    Also VD-1091-U is a dealer plate, whereas JC-Mimran's #1314 was driven with its GE-Plates and never saw this car with wing.
    I asked myself whether this have been to white cars, one with the other without wing looking at all pictures...
     
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    Yes, there was another white Countach S with silver wheels, standard front blinkers (not Swiss) and no rear wing:
    This INTERVENTION car is #1121414 (blue interior) or #1121464 (black interior) with temporary registration from Garage Palace in Cannes [331 W 06]

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    JC Mimran's #1121314 was indeed registered [GE 156 330] when he owned it in 1981.
    All the photos of #1121314 with GE registration and no wing were the 1981 Monaco GP event:
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    On this photo at the 1982 event, the two white Countach with the red 1121210/CLA12471:

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  16. raymondQV

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    Yes, this is known with the door panels, therefore my assumption of two white Countach was also correct, didn't know the second one yet.
    BTW 1464 was later also in Switzerland and got many ugly changes, last I know: Sold to Chad Bolles.

    I was always keen on knowing who's VD-1091-U, I was thinking of Burnier, but even simpler... Leimer was not just Rene, the Family is still in car business with Alfa Dealership, perhaps they were also related to Garage Racing in Yverdon?
    When you read Lambos history, you always read between the lines that Leimer and Mimrans didn't like each other, but as can be seen they made till end of 1982 a lot of business selling countachs.
    Then it seems with Nuova Automobili Lamborghini also the contract with Leimer ended and Codeco SA from Nyon took over (which was a Mimran Company with Emile Mimran as CEO).
     
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  18. raymondQV

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    #382, 15.3.1982, Emilian Auto, Bologna, in Bianco/Nero.

    LP400s with 5 litre engine with Motec injection by Karl Ruf. QV engine lid
    2002: Autoland Reust, Volketswil -> Autoforce, Hallwil. then Carugati, Geneva, 2013: Affolter, 2014: Chad Bolles, USA
     
  19. Chadbourn Bolles

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  20. raymondQV

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    Chad, as written, the car left the factory in Bianco/Nero.
    The so called 5l engine was modified by Karl Ruf as mentioned.
     
  21. Chadbourn Bolles

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    Where was it in production, was it the last LP400S
    The engine in the car has L406 stamped on it. L406 is the identification of the 4 ltr engine. It is a 5 ltr engine...I can only guess Ruf got a 5 ltr engine and installed it as for sure it is a 5 ltr. Things like main bearings, cam cover gaskets, head nut washers. All those things are only found on a 5 ltr.
    Thanks
     
  22. MiuraP400

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    Sounds to me like Ruf kept the original block and changed out the crank, rods, pistons, and liners. The articles I have read about him in period indicated he typically rebuild the engine and did not replace it. Have you checked the engine number, is it original to the car?

    What is the difference between a 4 liter cam cover gasket and a 5 liter?

    Cheers Jim
     
  23. Chadbourn Bolles

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  24. joe sackey

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    Hardly surprising, read UK Lamborghini concessionaire (Portman Lamborghini) David Jolliffe's book on the marque, he states what ultimately happened with Rene Leimer.
     
  25. raymondQV

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    I heard many stories, since I have some Friends from that area who know them, Leimer caused also an accident with a black countach where two got killed in a 2CV when he drove with parking lights at night with 240kmh.
    From history/telling it seems he got really desparate about financials and made some criminals things. Since this was all before the digital age it's hard to find docu.
     
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