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made an offer on my old plane...

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  1. snj5

    snj5 F1 World Champ

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    #1 snj5, Aug 7, 2007
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    Well, I found the guy that currently owns my old airplane. It had passed from the fellow I had sold it to to Jim who keeps it with the CAF Dixie Wing where it is used for check outs. The big news is that they put a NEW center section in it, one that had never even been in an airplane before they found NOS. They've done a very aggressive job w/ corrosion control, although paint is quite tired (patinated?) and the avionics still suck. The engine is approaching high time at 800 hours.

    He wants to finish the season with it, and we came to a price that included check out (not cheap) for late this year.

    So, do I want to go Macho or ease into retirement in a Commander 114?

    I just may do this while I am still young.
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  2. rfking

    rfking Formula Junior

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    Sounds like a no-brainer to me. I've got lots of time in a Commander 114 and some in the T-6. I'd go with the T-6 every time if I were you.
     
  3. sparky p-51

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    Full speed ahead.....damn the torpedoes. Go for the Slug Russ. You will never regret it.
     
  4. snj5

    snj5 F1 World Champ

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    It's looking pretty good, actually. It's a simple VFR plane which is what I like.
    Also has new control cables all around.
    Looking at a hangar at historic Stinson Field.
    Would have to stop for gas in Shelby County Alabama, where I first soloed - perhaps some of the Bham contingent can meet up.
     
  5. rob lay

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    Would I be mental to buy something like a T-6 this winter instead of a Skylane? I really like our local FBO, I have 6 new Skyhawks to choose from (some with glass), 182 RG, T182T w/Glass, and tailwheels. I think everything I need is right there wet with no headaches. Sure a little planning to get the 182 reserved for long weekend trips, but I'm thinking more using the rental selection for the cross countries and hunt scouting while having a nice little T-6 for the fun stuff. This winter some time I should be over 100 hours, tail wheel endorsement, high hp & complex endorsement, and working on my instrument. Even if I get the plane before I'm ready to solo it, I can still take up some of the local sticks.

    Am I crazy?

    What should I expect to pay for a solid and safe one?

    Thanks,
    rob
     
  6. GrigioGuy

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    Look at your username. That tells me the answer right there.
     
  7. snj5

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    You run FerrariChat
    Depends what you like about flying - warbirds, especially like the T-6, are an incredibly engaging experience. The people sure are great, especially T-6 folks. I bought the SNJ after having a Champ for a year in 1986, so if I can fly it anyone can. It certainly costs less to maintain than a Ferrari (except for gas - 30 gph cruise).
    As to prices, try this website out. Mark is always on the high side, but is reputable and has some quality pieces.
    www.courtesyaircraft.com
     
  8. rfking

    rfking Formula Junior

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    I can speak for the Birmingham Group that you would receive a hardy welcome if you stop by. If you want to stop by Shelby County for sentimental reasons, fine, but if you will stop at Mercury Air Center in Birmingham, I'll introduce you to several T-6s and a beautiful P-51 - as well as a few Ferraris.
     
  9. rob lay

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    What are the performance numbers? Especially cruise, take off distance, and landing distance?
     
  10. rfking

    rfking Formula Junior

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    We have an amazing couple of museums here - one is the Barber Museum at the Barber Motorsports Track - nothing near it in the world (after the museum n Birmingham, England burned).

    The second is the Southern Museum of Flight - a couple of exhibits I can get us special tours of that have not opened officially. The B-24 from Lake Murray - and the Tuskegee Airman Exhibit.
     
  11. snj5

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    While I do not heave the # in front of me, you can get a T-6 in and out of 2500' pretty comfortably.
    My cruise was usually 150 mph @ 30 gph.
     
  12. snj5

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    I'll plan on it!
     
  13. snj5

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    My dad, a B-29 pilot in WW2, used to talk about how he enjoyed training in the BT-13.
    Anyone have any time in these?
     
  14. udrift

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    That's crusing in nostalgic style, but man...what a difference from my 1978 Mooney 201 (roughly 170 mph @ 12 gph).
     
  15. snj5

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    #15 snj5, Sep 1, 2007
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    Am getting closer. We are looking at drawing up a contract for delivery with check out at end of season and when I get back from overseas.

    I have been nosing around other airplanes since am about to drop this much $$. There is a guy with a T-28A with a 3 blade that says his plane will do 180 KNOTS at 36 gph and does not need a type rating (not over 800 hp). I must say that does sound tempting compared to 150 miles per hour at 30 gph. I know it's a Wright and all that means, but it also has like 5 SMOH.
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  16. rfking

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    I guess the question is how much cross-country flying are you going to be doing as compared to local?

    An hour's local flying is an hour's local flying. The extra speed only means something if you are headed somewhere, and the block speed on the two airplane won't be 50 knots - probably more like 25-30.

    Bottom line is - do you want the bigger (size & maintenance cost) airplane?

    Anecdotal I know, but I see SNJs flying around, and T-28s way in the back of hangars.
     
  17. snj5

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    that's the thing exactly - how much x-c do I want to do. I have never done much in the past, but there are times it would sure be nice to have a nice fast x/c plane. The T-6 was ok, if a bit rustic way to travel. :)
    I guess I need to fly a t-28 to see if I would even like it.

    What I think I need sometimes is one of those NA-50/P-64 conversions - a bit faster than the t-6 (clipped wing and 3 bladed prop on geared 1340), but same fuel burn and maintenence.

    Well, anyway, I'm pretty well committed to the reliable ol' J bird unless I have some epiphinal conversion. :).
     
  18. rfking

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    Stop by Jasper, Alabama and visit with my friend, Joey Sanders - his T-6 "Big Red" does 221 mph + at the Reno Air Races. He could give you some hints for picking up the pace of the old girl I'm sure.
     
  19. snj5

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    Jasper is certainly on the way. Over the years I've heard of some of the tricks the T-6 racers do -- such as over 40+ inches MAP in an engine designed for 36". :)

    Getting closer.
     
  20. rfking

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    The guys are leaving tomorrow for Reno - tech inspection on the 9th - races and then be back here around the 16th - hopefully with trophies.

    Me - I'm workin - as usual.

    No rest for the wicked!
     
  21. Spasso

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    I always look forward to the T-28's that show up at the Arlington fly-in. They open them all the way up for the fly-bys and they sound GREAT!
     
  22. snj5

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  23. rfking

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    She's a beauty - but you know what they say about "skin deep" and all. Having rebuilt one, I'm sure you know how to look at the "soul" of the bird.

    Good Luck!
     
  24. rob lay

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    I went to a warbird flyin and car show Saturday, 5 Texans in total. I'll start another thread.

    I've been buying a few T-6 books. Most are b&w photos, the few color photos I see around the yellow with black cowling is most common. However, appears with all the countries and uses of the plane there are hundreds of "authentic" paints you could do. I personally like the silver and black cowling.
     
  25. snj5

    snj5 F1 World Champ

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    I used to joke that I had more time squeezed down into the monocoque than I did in the cockpit. I sneezed Zn chromate primer for days. There is no way I could fit down in there any more.

    My own personal quote on restoring my plane:
    "I know almost each and every rivet and nut on that plane - so well, that they each have a name. And, most of them have the same name, a name which is not repeatable here."
     

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