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  1. bret h

    bret h Rookie

    Jul 27, 2008
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    zachary louisiana
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    bret harrison
    does anyone have a list of the tools to do a major service on a 308 gtsi. also is there a book with a step by step on how to do this
     
  2. chrismorse

    chrismorse Formula 3

    Feb 16, 2004
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    Hi Bret,

    Welcome to the chat. There is nothing remotely like a chilton/clymer/haynes manual for the 308, (although i have heard rumors of just such a manual, possibly forthcoming from Verell at Unobtanium - holds breath :).

    So, your best source for information is to use the search tool on the top left of this page and work to gather bits of information, tips and techniques, not only from amatures, (like most of us), but some real gems from some of the professionals gracious (and patient enough), to post here.

    You might list the operations in the major, then persue posts. Each one will offer a slightly different take, tips, techniques and tools. I have a huge drawer filled with maintenance and performance threads, unfortunately only partially organized.

    This is a lot like working on a really nice old house, the construction is realatively straight forward, but often there is a lot of prior neglect/ poor technique or just plain old worn out stuff, so what originally started out as a simple tune up or coolant change uncovers roted hoses, coolant pipes almost worn through, lazy thermostats, poor electrical connections at the fans and sensors - Be prepared for every operation to get a bit more complex/expensive and time consuming.

    I do not mean this to be an indictment of Ferraris, i think almost any 30 year old car would follow a similar path. Ours is just a bit more tightly built/stressed and loved.

    Don't let this put you off, I would buy the same car again in a heartbeat.

    Ask away :)
    chris
     
  3. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky F1 World Champ
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    Sep 18, 2002
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    Sockets and wrenches

    10mm
    13mm
    8mm
    17mm
    19mm
    12mm hex socket
    10mm hex socket
    22mm socket
    36mm Socket
    metric feeler gauges
    shim bucket compressor
    flat head screw driver
    philips screw driver
    needle nose plyers
    normal pilers
    fridge
    beer
    gasket sealer
    light
    jack stands
    floor jack
    drain buckets
    service manual
    food
    chips
    salsa
    bandaids
    gauze
    stiches
    engine cleaner
    peroxide
    paint
    masking tape
    and anything else you may need...
     
  4. Guy Webster

    Guy Webster Karting
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    LMAO !

    Don't forget a hacksaw. :)
     
  5. yelcab

    yelcab F1 World Champ
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    Can't help you with procedures, too many to list. You have to search. I can help you with tools:

    Valve adjustment tools: set of two, depressor, and hook-spacer Special tools.
    accurate calipers and micrometers
    Set of metric gauges for valve clearance measurements
    If you want to change seals: seal picker
    If you want to change bearings for the cam drive pulleys: a very special bearing puller, mostly home-made (and you need to search for that dimension)
    For regular handtools:

    3/8 inch metric sockets, 8mm to 19mm short and long, flexible is good too
    wobble extension set, 3/8 inch
    3/8 inch ratchet: short, long, flexible
    1/2 inch ratchet: long, extra long
    1/4 ratchet: short, skinny and a set of 1/4 sockets, with some extensions
    metric wrenches: combination, ratcheting as well as standard, deep offset, and a few of the moon shaped ones too (13mm, 17mm, 19mm)
    1/2 socket 22mm, 24mm, 27mm, 36mm
    You will want a compressor up to 150 psi
    And, an impact gun, 1/2 at least good for 600 ft-lbs of reverse torque
    Screw drivers all all types all lenths,
    picks: long, 90 degrees, hook
    Torque wrench: 2, one small, one large
    Snap ring plyers, while you are at it, all pliers known to mankind

    I am sure I forgot something, but someone else will jump in.
     
  6. yelcab

    yelcab F1 World Champ
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    Oops, I know what I forgot: a healthy supply of 4 letter words.
     
  7. 2NA

    2NA F1 World Champ
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    More beer!
     
  8. FasterIsBetter

    FasterIsBetter F1 Veteran

    Jul 22, 2004
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    Just a few random add-ons to what's already been suggested:

    1. A heavy dose of patience.
    2. A digital camera to keep a record of things BEFORE you take them apart. It's always good to know where they go back later on.
    3. The parts manual (file can be downloaded for free, do a search here to find the link to one of the sites). It's the only source of information on how things are put together, exploded views are worth a 1000 words.
    4. A good set of basic metric tools. You really don't need to go out and buy a whole lot of specialized tools.
    5. Two good torque wrenches, one for heavy torquing (ft lbs.), one lightweight one (inch lbs.) for small items like the valve cover nuts, cam cap nuts, etc.
    6. Large bottle of scotch (or other liquor of your choice) to augment the beer. For those moments when you throw up your hands and say "F this". One or two shots, walk away, come back tomorrow and it will all make sense.
    7. Large and small plastic zip-lock bags and a black permanent magic marker, to bag up and identify everything that you remove from the engine/car. Don't forget to mark the output shafts as left and right/inboard/outboard ends if you remove them, which you'll need to do if you pull the engine or want to change the boots.

    Have fun. And remember, these are just cars. If you know how to work on cars, you'll see that most things are the same as on any other car. The parts may be different, but the concept is basically the same. Take your time, break it down into discrete tasks, and do one thing at a time. Before you know it, you'll be done.
     
  9. vincenzo

    vincenzo F1 Rookie

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    credit card ;-)
     
  10. bret h

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    do you have any i don't know i think i used all i know up when i found that the a/c compressor will not swing out around the
    r/h fuel tank. so the fuel tank has to go.
     
  11. yelcab

    yelcab F1 World Champ
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    You remove all the studs from the timing case cover of the forward bank, Double nut them out.
    You remove the main pulley from the crank shaft
    You don't have to remove the water pump, but all the water pump hoses and pipes have to go.

    Then you can swing the AC compressor far enough out of the way to remove the front timing cover.

    Heave %^* heave $%^# heave %$#!!
     
  12. jimshadow

    jimshadow F1 Veteran
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    Feb 19, 2006
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    OR, do it my way and just remove that POS! ;)

    JIM
     

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