Making F1 Riskier | FerrariChat

Making F1 Riskier

Discussion in 'F1' started by Kiwi Nick, Jun 16, 2015.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. Kiwi Nick

    Kiwi Nick Formula 3

    Jun 13, 2014
    1,325
    Durango, CO
    Full Name:
    Jeff
    Three good articles from Autosport, wherein Alonso, Lauda and Raikkonen bemoan the fact that technology has overtaken talent and has made cars slower and less exciting to drive and/or watch. F1 drivers are asked to behave more like airline pilots and less like drivers, opening the door for less talented and inexperienced drivers who sit in the cockpit and twist knobs on the steering wheel when the pit wall tells them to do so. They call this an era where the technology penalizes driving on the limit and rewards taking orders from the engineers.

    Niki Lauda backs Kimi Raikkonen's desire for 'riskier' Formula 1 - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com

    Kimi Raikkonen: Formula 1 could be a 'little more dangerous' - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com

    F1 driving is now like being an aeroplane pilot - Fernando Alonso - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com
     
  2. Axecent

    Axecent Formula 3

    Oct 15, 2008
    1,112
    Central Texas
    Full Name:
    John
    That's progress (replacing the old adage: 'That's Racing')
     
  3. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    I like Lauda's attitude on this. Kimi is correct as well.
     
  4. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

    Mar 24, 2008
    42,821
    ESP
    Full Name:
    Bas
    Is it though? from a technology standpoint, sure...But managing every parameter of the car currently is just not working out. Very occasionally we get a fantastic race but they are few and far between.

    Drivers are constantly driving towards a lap delta. I'm sorry but drivers should be able to push when necessary.

    ---

    So how do we make F1 ''riskier'', in the sense that drivers are able to push the car harder, manage less and making it a bit more difficult?

    First of all, getting rid of ridiculous fuel flow limits and tiny fuel margins. Give them 150kg of fuel to play with + 10kg, i.e. to have a fast car towards the end they actually have to use it and push the car.

    Get rid of electronically controlled differentials.

    More power. Much more. 1000hp+ please.

    A wider tire front and rear, that doesn't drop off too quickly. A tire that can go for the entire race could be plenty useful actually...this means drivers won't rely on a potential strategy to overtake, they really have to put in hard work.

    Together with the fuel and tires in my formula, there also needs to be certain aero regs implemented so that there is a certain stream of airflow behind cars so that overtaking is possible once again without DRS use.
     
  5. Mulehead

    Mulehead Formula Junior

    Jun 6, 2012
    755
    Micheal was on this several years ago the car are way to slow and with out refueling you can't push from when the lights go out . F1 now is about managing your tires that no race impo I want to see guys push all the time every lap all race long .
     
  6. TifosiUSA

    TifosiUSA F1 Veteran

    Nov 18, 2007
    8,468
    Kansas City, MO
    Full Name:
    DJ
    Faster cars, problem solved
     
  7. Kiwi Nick

    Kiwi Nick Formula 3

    Jun 13, 2014
    1,325
    Durango, CO
    Full Name:
    Jeff
    How about we take all of the knobs off the steering wheel. Let the driver push the gas pedal and brake pedal, shift gears and adjust the brake bias front to rear. Nothing else. No more "Go to H3 and set the purple dial to P." I hate it when nameless, faceless engineers are telling the driver how to drive. Then allow the cars to carry enough fuel to go all out for the duration of the race or refuel. Have 2 different tire compounds available but don't require a car to use both.
     
  8. Kiwi Nick

    Kiwi Nick Formula 3

    Jun 13, 2014
    1,325
    Durango, CO
    Full Name:
    Jeff
    I think the point here is that it doesn't matter how fast the cars are if you can't drive them as fast as they will go. Certainly, if they have massive amounts of power it is a bigger challenge, but if the engineers are holding the performance back, because they need to save fuel or tires, it takes away from the show.
     
  9. Hollywood-GP

    Hollywood-GP Karting

    Jun 15, 2015
    151
    give them more fuel, more RPMs and the cars will be faster (might even sound better too)
     
  10. ginge82

    ginge82 Formula 3

    Jul 23, 2012
    1,361
    Europe
    Full Name:
    Art Corvelay
    These cars should be beasts and spectators should be in awe of the men that strap themselves in and race these things.

    None of the above is true of this generation of cars but at least the influential few are voicing their concerns and the fans certainly are too. Dilute F1 cars anymore and a $10bn investment/business will become worthless and even the owners are switching on to that fact now.

    F1 is show business. They need to put that reality at the forefront of their plans for the future.
     
  11. TifosiUSA

    TifosiUSA F1 Veteran

    Nov 18, 2007
    8,468
    Kansas City, MO
    Full Name:
    DJ
    Agree 100%. The "shock and awe" of F1 is gone with these current cars. Especially for spectators. Hell, drivers themselves (some less than 20 years old) have said they are no different than GP2 to drive.

    I remember Webber saying when he first tested a V10 F1 car it intimidated the crap out of him. That's how it should be.
     
  12. F2003-GA

    F2003-GA F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Nov 2, 2003
    13,380
    Sunbelt
    Full Name:
    Bro
    F1 is plenty risky Have we forgotten Bianchi already :-/
     
  13. F2003-GA

    F2003-GA F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Nov 2, 2003
    13,380
    Sunbelt
    Full Name:
    Bro
    They will sound better cuz they'll rev upto 15k with more fuel flow
     
  14. Kiwi Nick

    Kiwi Nick Formula 3

    Jun 13, 2014
    1,325
    Durango, CO
    Full Name:
    Jeff
    Sorry, but you missed the point.
     
  15. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

    Apr 26, 2005
    23,476
    KL, Malaysia
    Full Name:
    MC Cool Breeze
    Go back to 1999 season rules and regulations. Problem solved.
     
  16. F2003-GA

    F2003-GA F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Nov 2, 2003
    13,380
    Sunbelt
    Full Name:
    Bro
    Sorry - I guess they mean more difficult to drive
     
  17. pappy.72

    pappy.72 Formula Junior

    Nov 13, 2010
    536
    Elgin, IL
    Full Name:
    Dave
    Open tire manufacturer battles again. More power! Heck no power limit. Leave speed up to the driver limits and track limits. Gas mileage limits gone. That would be fun to watch.
     
  18. racerx3317

    racerx3317 F1 Veteran

    Oct 17, 2004
    5,701
    New York, NY
    Full Name:
    Luis
    It doesn't necessarily need to be riskier but the cars have to be faster, sound better and be harder to drive. The guys are right, these days just about any driver can get to about 90 percent of the limit rather easily (the other 10 separate the good from the great). Valentino Rossi comment that these cars were relatively easy to drive close to the limit when he tested the Ferrari a few years ago. Also fuel limits have no place in the sport. I'm not a big fan of hybrid systems, or DRS. To fix F1 first get rid of the semi auto and go back to full manuals. Second get rid of carbon brakes. Third simplify the aero. No more than two elements on the wing.
     
  19. Kiwi Nick

    Kiwi Nick Formula 3

    Jun 13, 2014
    1,325
    Durango, CO
    Full Name:
    Jeff
    We all spend a lot of time pissing and moaning about how the new PU and its energy recovery systems have had a negative impact on racing. But, I think that aerodynamics are equally to blame. Down force has gotten to ridiculous levels, but only for cars running in clean air. It does not improve racing when a car can't put in a good quali lap if it is within 2 seconds of another car. Likewise, as we have seen through the Vettel championship years and the last 2 years, the car leading after the first corner can pull away at a rate of 1-2 seconds per lap. At the same time, cars following in dirty air are slower, experience higher tire deg, and find passing difficult. None of that is good for the show, and all of it is due to aerodynamics and not the PU

    I say simplify the wing. A single element front wing. A single element rear wing, without big side plates. And no winglets, barge boards, or floors that extend beyond the body when viewed from above. That still leaves lots of room for creative designers to develop what NASA would call "lifting bodies", but in this case "down force bodies". This will never happen unless there is a leader strong enough to force these changes. But gimmicks like DRS or sprinkling the track with water will not really improve the spectacle.
     
  20. racerx3317

    racerx3317 F1 Veteran

    Oct 17, 2004
    5,701
    New York, NY
    Full Name:
    Luis
    Agreed. Formula one has been going the wrong way with the regs for a long time.
     
  21. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
    Owner

    Jan 11, 2008
    41,692
    Sarasota
    Full Name:
    David
    There's been plenty of good racing in high downforce formulas. Fuel and tire mileage restrictions are antithetical to racing though.
     

Share This Page