Parts numbers prove year of production 1997: (disproving the MH 370 swap theory as MH370 was built in 2002) https://www.flickr.com/photos/jeroenakkermans/sets/72157645416293108/ MH17 Crash 20-07 (1) https://www.flickr.com/photos/jeroenakkermans/sets/72157645790319631/ MH17 Crash 21-07 (2) https://www.flickr.com/photos/jeroenakkermans/sets/72157645416293108/ MH17 Crash 22-07 (3) https://www.flickr.com/photos/jeroenakkermans/sets/72157645853477595/ MH17 Crash 23-07 (4) https://www.flickr.com/photos/jeroenakkermans/sets/72157645471359080/ MH17 Crash 24-07 (5) https://www.flickr.com/photos/jeroenakkermans/sets/72157645908125941/ MH17 Crashsite Map (6) https://www.flickr.com/photos/jeroenakkermans/sets/72157646049192975/ Map of a Tragedy: How MH17 Came Apart Over Ukraine Map of a Tragedy: How Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 Came Apart Over Ukraine - WSJ.com
Vector, Just browsing at the links you posted. There is no consistency in shape or size of the entry points. If it was a 30 mm round, all of those entry holes would be about the same size and shape. Are you incapable of distinguishing the size and shape of the so called 30mm round in aluminum? You have provided no facts. Only some convoluted theories.
I would like to meet the grade school youngster who wrote this scenario because whoever it is has a future on Saturday Night Live. Clever humor and over the top creativity.
Perhaps it was something more sinister...... Nightmare at 20,000 Feet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Image Unavailable, Please Login
I'm kidding around..... The title I saw while browsing earlier read slightly different than the one posted previously, caught me off guard I guess.
The DSB just released there final report on MH17 today here is a very graphic video of the damage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDiLEyT9spI
I don't think anyone has to say who pushed the button. Russian missile, Russian army "volunteers" in Ukraine. Just another airliner full of people, done it several times before. No big deal.
I'm sorry but this is where politics is interfering with an air crash investigation. That should never happen. They explain exactly which missile was used, what type of vehicle fired it, a close approximation of where the missile launcher was -- but as to how the button was pushed they leave it to "others" (aka politicians). IMO, this is just wrong. Facts are facts. To ignore the root cause of an airliner crash means the investigation is not complete. "Yes, it was hit by a missile. Who fired it? Well, that's not for us to tell...." Accident investigations should be completely free of politics. Not naming the organization and the chain of command that ultimately allowed someone to mistakenly shooting and airliner leaves the investigation intentionally vague. If there are no consequences to mistakes or crimes, it will continue. Isn't it the point of an accident investigation to avoid accidents in the future?
And just what is the DSB going to do, take away Ivan's birthday? It's not like they have any authority in the region. I'm not sure anyone knows who has authority right now. Maybe pass a new rule not to shoot down civilian airliners flying over a shooting war then send a letter of censure and a fine to those involved? Get me a mailing address and I'll get right on it. Oh, we can sick the UN on them and they can put it on the list of things to do that they never do. Sounds like they have gone as far as they are going to get and the region is a much bigger problem than just one downed airliner, the collective political will and wisdom has been pretty powerless to do anything about it.
So, you want to bring politics into an air crash investigation? I don't. The reasons for the crash IMO are still undecided. Yes, a missile hit the aircraft and that's about all we know. The rest you have to make up yourself or some other "committee" has to find out because it might upset a rather large super power on one side of the world or another. This was an excellent investigation. Unfortunately, it stopped itself before finding the root cause. It only identified the weapon, not what happened to cause it. We don't know who did it, why they did it, who was responsible, and what has changed to avoid it happening again. IMO, it's not an accident investigation until someone finds the root cause of the crash. The investigation did a good job of proving the crew, the plane, and airline were not to blame. Saying a missile hit it without saying who did it is like saying someone was shot but we can't say who because it might upset someone's politics. That's just wrong. Aircraft investigation is a fact finding mission. It shouldn't matter where the facts end dirtying someone's laundry. In addition, nothing was mentioned of the absolutely appalling abuse of people trying to help possible survivors and the accident and crime scene investigators, intentional removal of incriminating evidence, the mistreatment of human remains and possessions, and the restrictions of the press by military force and intimidation.
Russian 'allies' fired it from a Russian BUK. Families: investigation found MH17 downed from pro-Russia rebel held territory - AOL News
Yes, a "pro-Russian rebel (aka Ukrainian separatist)" took control of a Russian missile launcher that happened to leave a Russian military base and cross the border all by itself. Then he fired a missile without reading the instruction manual. Oh, and then this same guy drove it back to Russia and parked it back in a Russian base after the event without the Russians knowing or seeing that a missile just happened to be missing while claiming a Ukrainian jet brought it down. Sure.
The "rebels" who are basicaly Russinas living on the other side of the border, were being more than a little aided by Russia. In the weeks prior to the shootdown "they" had shot down a number of Ukranian cargo aircraft supporting the Ukranian gov and supplyign troops. Duch that Ukranian aircraftw ere no longer going below 20,000 ft. I guess the Buk was brought in to up the ante. Doesent take a genius to conclude that a diffuse chain of comand a bit of Vodka and they shot down an approaching plane, thinking it was a Military plane, you know like how we shot down an Iranian airliner 20 years ago..
The Iranian jet liner shoot down has been completely documented and transparent. I'm guessing the Russians have not since they don't even admit one of their missile launchers was involved at all. Gee, what a surprise.
Sure they wont admit it, never did, in fact they claimed it was a Ukranian foghter jet missile. My only point is you can see how it all happened. the Russians nor their rebel partisans purposefully shot down a malaysian civillian plane, they just f-ed up. Whether it was a Russia Russian or a Ukranian Russsian at the Buk controlls is irrelevant. There was no real chain of command, moscosw gave no direct roders to shoot and created cover for themselvs in so doing, no integration with larger radar networks, they were just tryign to shoot down whatever came their way thinkign they all had to be Ukranian cargo or somethign. Its what happens when things become a free for all and daddy lets the kids play with big guns.
