Manual 458's

No idea to be honest but if you look at the California when it came out they said it would only ever be manual.....at least that's what I remember. Now it is also available manual although Ferrari says it's slower ;-)

So my guess is that in a year or two they will offer a manual version of the 458 as well

 

Oh dear, not this one again. I think there are four threads on this already (maybe more) and two of those are very comprehensive.

 

I went to pick my car up today from the shop and the service guy insisted Ferrari was making the 458 in manual. In fact he said that the guys on Top Gear tested a manual. I don't know? Anyone have clarification on this?

 

Everything that I have come across has said that it will be a dual clutch unit only. I think that with the F430 that less than 10% of the cars were ordered with a manual transmission so it just didn't make any business sense to produce a manual transmission.

 

That would be a bit of a turnaround and would make quite a few on this forum very happy.

 

PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE!

 

+1

 

I would not be shocked if they were, they need to please all. I think the 458 block is the same as the 430 so I'm guessing the manual trans would bolt up to it but I could be wrong. Also if you have the money anything is as the rumor v12 eric Clapton 458.

 

When the Cali was introduced, they said a manual would be offered "later". Does anyone have first hand knowlege of an actual car? At the 458 launch, the factory said no manuals. I'll take them at their word.

Dave

 

I think there was a picture posted of one in the Califorina section

 

... having an automatic/assisted/F1 gear change system in your Ferrari is like having somebody else do your girlfriend.

Yes, I have driven one. A 430 Scud.
Yes, it is faster. And amazing technology too.
And if I wanted to be disconnected from the driving experience, I would have a chauffeur.

The 413% faster shifts aren't really that important to me.

Working for it is.

I can only hope that somebody comes to their senses and addresses the lowly 10% of drivers who like to heel and toe, double de-clutch, match revs and focus on traction/speed equations.

The Twist and Cha-Cha are fine dances, I prefer the Tango.

 

What he said!

 

Found this article from back in March.....I would think they can do this with the 458, if that is the case I am waiting for it.....

As previously reported, customers purchasing the Ferrari California will get a choice between two different transmissions. The company will offer a six-speed manual transmission in addition to the standard seven-speed dual wet clutch semi-automatic, according to an alleged leaked document.

Choosing the manual will lead to a reduced performance, but it may satisfy a 10% demand by customers for a stick shift. With the six-speed manual, the car sprints from 0-100 km/h in 4.2 seconds, at least 0.3 seconds slower than the DCT provides. Additionally, fuel consumption is increased with the manual gear box. The DCT provides a 17.9 mpg-US (13.1 liters/100km) rating, 11% better than the manual provides.



Either transmission gets the car to a top speed of 193 mph (311 km/h).

The manual gearbox is rear-mounted, to keep a 47/53 weight ratio. It involves "double-cone synchros with multiple pawl asymmetric geometry, an oil bath lever and fork system," according to the leaked document.

Autopareri.com says the manual transmission will be availble in the coming months on the Ferrari California.
Source: autopareri.com

 

It's called change. Otherwise we would still be wiping our arse with one ply toilet paper. Thank god the wife buys 4 ply. Going into the second century of cars I welcome this change, I do not want to drive a car similar in operation that my great great grandfather drove.

With flappy paddles you are still shifting gears just in another way. Plus it's faster which last time I checked is what wins races at the track. Why buy a sportscar if your goal isn't to go as fast as possible? Sadly I seldom see supposed sportscar owners tracking their cars given the amount of cars on the road especially here in Poseurville USA ( So Cal).

Besides most anybody who can walk and chew gum can "drive" a modern fully syncro gearbox. If you can lap well with say a old Hewland non-syncro box then you can call yourself a driver otherwise current boxes are made for wide variety of skill sets from the lowest to someone with some talent behind the wheel.

The market buys flappy paddles so that is why the 458 has them if enough people had selected the other option on the 430 it would have been carried over.

Change for some people is always painful it seems.

 

aggree with the "less than 10% " story for the 430 series...and why a 458 manual ?
If the 458 Italia would start as manual,all would say " why not F1 " ?

The future is on the F1- like system or Automatic system,and i tought all manufactures will follow this ...

just my2 cents
Ivo

 

Can we PLEASE not make this another F1 vs Manual thread, rather just a thread whether a manual will come for the 458? We've got at least 20 different threads in the 458 section ALONE about our opinions what is better.

 

This thread should be closed.

 

Close this thread if you want but something is wrong in the world when you can buy a v8 Cadillac with a stick shift but not a Ferrari.

dave

 

I've been giving the manual thing some thoughts for a while. I think there is a relatively CHEAP way for Ferrari to satisfy both crowds with the current equiptment.

A) add a clutch pedal with a spring and a potentiometer. This feeds a voltage signal to the clutch/shift ECU overriding the autonomous clutch system

B) add a gear shift lever with 8 (double H patern) resting points for the lever. These send contact/no-contact signals to the clutch/shift ECU. When the lever is in the middle no gear is selected and this is neutral.

C) program the ECU to allow the driver to override the flapper paddle system with the manual system. Some ECU programming required.

Thus, one ends up with a computer controlled manual transmission, where the computer does the work, but the lever and pedal are manipulated as if it were a real manual tranny. Flapper padles and other transmission controls stay in the car. The driver is given the ILLUSION that the car has a manual tranny.

Parts cost would be on the order of $300, Ferrari would charge something on the order of $10K.

 

Mitch- Good plan and you could also do Wilson preselector-type logic for the system. That would make it even more traditional.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

It's still fake. I don't like silicone and I for one would never go for a fake shifter and clutch. Breasts and shifters are MUCH better when they are real.

 

Having experienced a 458 I fail to see what the attraction of a manual would be....the dual clutch works so well and integrates with the car so well.

 

what if you're uphill and you want to let the car roll down the hill a little, then rev up the engine and ease out with the clutch, and letting the tail come out. or if you're in a long curve and you want to slowly change gears.. Im not trying to convince anybody that manual is better, more fun, blah blah blah.. but people should be able to choose. and to those saying they can see no reason why anyone would ever want stick shift, well they're just ignorant.

 

yes you are right that the car was designed to work in harmony with the dual clutch, but however awkward or 'out of sync' the gated shifter might be with that engine and chassis, electronics, etc, some just simply want to coordinate the process themselves. that 'flaw' might even be part of the charm for certain owners...you never know