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Manual F430 or 458? DIY maintanance?

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Which would you get if you had a choice?

  1. Manual F430

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  2. 458 Italia

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  1. HairyAsHell

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    #1 HairyAsHell, Aug 5, 2022
    Hey all,

    I am about to buy my first Ferrari and was considering the above as I would prefer that it holds its value or appreciates in the future. Although the 458 is stretching my budget a bit but probably the better car to get, I'd love to hear from you all. Furthermore, I am considering doing my own DIY maintenance as much as I can to save on regular maintenance costs as I am quite handy with tools etc. So my question would be, how much of the regular maintenance can you do by yourself and which would you engage a workshop for? What are the kind of yearly maintenance cost am I looking at for these cars? Please share your thoughts!
     
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    #2 JSinNOLA, Aug 5, 2022
    The manual 430 purchase price is every bit of that of a 458, and in many cases more!
     
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  3. Shark01

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    #3 Shark01, Aug 5, 2022
    If you like a manual, that would be your best choice in a fun car....both my fun cars are manuals.
     
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  4. HairyAsHell

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    #4 HairyAsHell, Aug 5, 2022
    over here in Singapore, the manual F430 are rare but not as expensive as the 458.
     
  5. Extreme1

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    #5 Extreme1, Aug 5, 2022
    I bought a 2009 F430 two years ago and have done engine oil/filter changes, F1 fluid change with a Launch X431 I bought off Amazon, power steering fluid changes, and brake fluid flush also using the Launch. I haven’t done the coolant yet because it was just changed before I bought the car. I bought the coolant system vacuum tool, also from Amazon, to do this with. YouTube has been an incredible help.

    If you can change the oil on a Honda or Toyota, you can do all of it on your Ferrari. There’s lots of people willing to help on the Forum.

    To be honest, I couldn’t afford the car if I had to take it to a dealer for the simple maintenance. $500-$600 for an oil change is ridiculous. It costs me $100 and a couple hours. It takes a couple hours because I like to drop the entire belly pan instead of using the maintenance panel. If I just used the panel it would take 30 minutes. Mobil 1 0w-40 oil is $28 for 5 quarts at Walmart. Oil filters are shipped to my house from Amazon.

    F1 fluid flush was $30 in fluid and the cost of the Launch, which I’ll have forever.

    Brake fluid flush was $40.

    Power steering fluid change was $15 in fluid and the cost of a turkey baster.

    PM me if you need help with your car.


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  6. Andy1M3

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    #6 Andy1M3, Aug 5, 2022
    You can 6 speed swap an F430, or pay to get it done. Parts are getting more and more available as time goes on.
    F430 is undoubtedly more DIY-friendly than a 458, but also a bit less reliable.
    I think the answer to your question lies in your preference of 6 speed or F1 transmission.
     
  7. Extreme1

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    #7 Extreme1, Aug 5, 2022
    Forgot to mention the spark plug change. That was $120 and a couple hours. Spark plugs were sent to my door by Amazon.


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  8. Extreme1

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    #8 Extreme1, Aug 5, 2022
    Lol, and the accessory belt. $25 for the belt, and 5 minutes when I was doing the oil change.

    The best part of all this is I know it was done, and done right! A mechanic doesn’t care about you or your car like you do.


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  9. HairyAsHell

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    #9 HairyAsHell, Aug 5, 2022
    Thanks for all the info! I was thinking the same thing about taking it to a dealer for regular maintainance. I'm usually a fast learner and able to DIY things myself. Although I have not personally worked on an engine before but I do understand some of its components. Would you say those services you mentioned would be difficult to do?
     
  10. HairyAsHell

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    #10 HairyAsHell, Aug 5, 2022
    Isn't the 458 a dual clutch and not F1?
     
  11. Extreme1

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    #11 Extreme1, Aug 5, 2022
    They were all very easy to do. The first time I was nervous, which made it difficult. Now it’s very simple. Just like maintaining my other cars and toys.
    Don’t freak out because it’s a Ferrari, it’s just a fuel injected, internal combustion engine, like all the other cars on the road.


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  12. Extreme1

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    #12 Extreme1, Aug 5, 2022
    Yes, the 458 is a dual clutch and I’ve heard it doesn’t wear out. The F430 is a single clutch and it will wear out. I’ve got 14,000 miles on mine and I have 72 percent remaining.

    F1 refers to the paddle shifting system, as compared to a stick shift.

    The 458 was out of my price range. Read up on 458 transmission failures before you buy a car.


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  13. HairyAsHell

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    #13 HairyAsHell, Aug 5, 2022
    Yes I've been talking to some Ferrari mechanics locally. They said the dual clutch on the 458 can last upto 100k miles while the F1 needs to be changed every 30k miles. Is your F430 manual or F1 transmission?
     
  14. Extreme1

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    #14 Extreme1, Aug 5, 2022
    It’s an F1. I had a Porsche Boxster that was stick, I was tired of shifting.
    There was a manual Spider next to my car in the showroom, but it was $60,000 more. Looking back I should have bought it.


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    #15 Texas Forever, Aug 5, 2022
    If you're comparing a manual shift to a DCT, the key is how are you going to drive the car? If you're a Sunday, back-road driver, get the manual. It will be more fun. If you're a track rat, get the DCT. There is no way a manual can keep up with a DCT on the track.
     
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  16. RedTaxi

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    #16 RedTaxi, Aug 5, 2022
    I've had my 430 manual for 5 years now I love it and I do all the basic maintenance myself. I have toyed with "upgrading" to a 458 but they are $100k more in my country. Also every DCT car I've driven, I've gone wow this gearbox is amazing but within 5 minutes have found it boring/sterile. Oh and there is plenty of big $$$ horror stories about DCT's.
     
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    #17 Extreme1, Aug 5, 2022
  18. HairyAsHell

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    #18 HairyAsHell, Aug 5, 2022
    Im based in Singapore... one of the most expensive places in the world to own a car lol

    Yes while DCTs are reliable but replacing them is costly. If you think about it... DCTs last 3 times as long as a single clutch transmission but costs 3 -4 times as much to replace. I guess they add upto about the same in terms of cost.

    Not going to be tracking it often actually. It's more for the occasional drive.
     
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    #19 Shorn355, Aug 5, 2022
    Yes
     
  20. Extreme1

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    #20 Extreme1, Aug 6, 2022
    We’ll that’s a little too far for me to stop by and help you lol. I’m in California.


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  21. yelcab

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    #21 yelcab, Aug 6, 2022
    Just a word of caution, the 458 is definitely not designed to be friendly to people who work on their cars. Even with a lift, a lot of simple things are not simple. Without a lift, just forget it.
     
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    #22 RedTaxi, Aug 6, 2022
    Single clutch transmissions last forever. The clutch doesn't but it's easy and relatively cheap to replace. A world apart from a DCT.
     
  23. HairyAsHell

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    #23 HairyAsHell, Aug 6, 2022
    good point. I did plan to get a lift for the car but the F430 definitely seems easier to DIY than the 458
     
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    #24 HairyAsHell, Aug 7, 2022
    Oh btw... I was wondering how much mileage affects these cars. Is it safe to buy these cars with high mileage? I mean, higher mileage is cheaper but if maintained well, do they have reliability issues?
     
  25. JSinNOLA

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    #25 JSinNOLA, Aug 8, 2022
    Service history, service history, service history…
     
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