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  1. obbob

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    I don't think this will affect the brand that much. The demand for the sports cars will still be the same since no one will be cross shopping an SUV and a mid engine car.

    Just look at Porsche. Over half their sales are SUVs yet they are cranking out cars like the 911R and 918, and their GT cars are still as revered as ever!
     
  2. Rossocorsa1

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    To be clear, I'm not an SUV fan. I don't think anyone on here is. It's simply that some think it's the end of Ferrari and others don't. (I don't) Plus, it's coming, like it or not. The reality is, from Ferrari's perspective, SUV's are dominating the automotive world and they would be fools not to dominate the highest end of the market. I can only assume that a Ferrari SUV will sit at the very top with the Bentley Bentayga.
     
  3. Dave rocks

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    They would not be fools. The should be leaders and not followers. Focus on your core and don't waste time chasing what everyone else is doing.
     
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  4. A348W

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    Person l would never buy an SUV no matter how much money I had or what make, I prefer estates for space etc. Oh hang on a minute, its nothing to do with practicality, just trend/lifestyle!!!

    Who in their right mind would by a Ferrari SUV ? It couldn't be an everyday car as the reliability compared to say Porsche, Jag F Pace, Mercedes G wagon etc is, lets be honest, rubbish. So that leaves it as a toy for the weekend. So why would you want an SUV as a toy for the weekend instead of a 488/FF/911/AMG etc?

    Whilst Porsche have done it to great success, I don't think this is a fair comparison as they are in a completely different market. They are cheap in comparison and reliable and are competing with Jag/Volvo/Rang Rover etc for SUV sales.

    I think Ferrari building a SUV completely dilutes the brand. Unless off course this is a proper off roader and they go after the Paris Dakar and spin a SUV off that; then fine. But they should base it on their heritage, i.e. racing, not trend/lifestyle.

    As many company's have fund to their peril, unless you can do the basics right, you have no hope. So I would suggest they get back to basics, even if that is a rose tinted version of history and sort the racing out, develop the grass roots and the heritage business.
     
  5. boxerman

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    Currentlky all they make is really really fast gts. If ferrari ends up makign some great core drivers cars again, then the suv is a very small price to pay.
     
  6. vrsurgeon

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    Won't do a thing. They'll still sell each and every car they make. Enough new buyers that only care about a badge... won't matter. It's disappointing, but it won't matter. Cayenne didn't kill Porsche, it let Porsche build even more amazing 911's.

    Only thing that will matter is when sales drop and stock price drops. The "old europe" Ferrari is done. Remember the Cimarron gentlemen.. remember the Cimarron. It's the endpoint where all profit seeking management ends.
     
  7. Mitch Alsup

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    4-door sedan.
     
  8. merstheman

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    Steadily declining market for those, unfortunately, and all the consumers are going for SUV's instead.
     
  9. TheMayor

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  10. Ripped Fat

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    Dozens and dozens of companies that kick Ferraris a-- in racing, looks and so on. What utter rubbish. Don't name a dozen, name one.
     
  11. rob lay

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    IMO, SUV = stupid useless vehicle
     
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  13. Rossocorsa1

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  14. rob lay

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    what? every car guy has heard of all of those.
     
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  15. Rossocorsa1

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    I'm not referring to car guys. I'm referring to the average person. Ferrari ranks below Noble and Koenigsegg? How can that ranking be taken seriously?
     
  16. Rossocorsa1

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    It's one thing to disagree with an SUV or not like a current cars styling, or think Ferrari should do this or do that, but the notion that some perpetuate that Ferrari is some kind of alsorand brand on the decline is ridiculous.
     
  17. rob lay

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    I think the point by many of us is Ferrari was DOMINATING for so long. It is no longer so clear cut and then how about when they make SUV's?
     
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    I absolutely agree, the brand can be expanded without killing it's essence. A Dino would be great for the brand, priced in line with a "regular 911" or a little above with tons of options you could pull a lot of each unit with a 911 base price, coupled with Ferrari option costs. A mid mounted engine using the 2.9 liter turbo V6, you would have a real winner.


     
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  19. Dave rocks

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    For me, I've always viewed Ferrari as a very special brand with extreme class. It seems to me the company is moving away from it's founding or historic focus / values.
     
  20. Rossocorsa1

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    Fair enough, but I'm not so sure that's totally correct. Let's break it down a bit. In totality, Ferrari is still the dominant leader in their category.

    - The Ferrari brand is one of the most valuable in the world.

    - Their current product line proves to be incredibly popular with buyers and critics alike.

    - Of the ultra premier brands, their dealer network is without question the healthiest.

    - Customer engagement is excellent. As a new owner, I can attest to this.

    Sure, F1 has lost its stride. Sure, not everyone is going to love every car they produce. Heck, I'm still trying to understand why they even make the Lusso. Yes, we don't know what negative impact a SUV may have on the brand, if any. But, come on. We all know that Ferrari is great (not perfect) and I don't see that changing.
     
  21. Rossocorsa1

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    Agreed
     
  22. Rossocorsa1

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    I hear you Dave. But, the more I think about it the more unrealistic it is to think they will just remain as they always have been. I'm sure there were plenty of people in the 80'a that wished Ferrari was the way it was in the 60's. Yet still, there is plenty of the past that wasn't so great. The dealership network wasn't great. Quality had a lot to de desired. Lots of awesome things for sure, but plenty of bad as well.

    I don't love the SUV idea either, but it isn't going to kill Ferrari. We also have the five year plan that will be unveiled in the first quarter. That will be very interesting. Nothing is perfect but there is a lot to be excited about today.
     
  23. rob lay

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    your first two points are certainly current states, but can they maintain?

    your final two points I have a completely different experience as we bought 2013 California last year and then traded it for a new 2017 California T through the dealer.
     
  24. Dave rocks

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    I think you are missing my point. I love advances in technology and I love how Ferrari has evolved up until Sergio came in and the departure from Pininfarinna. To me, the last great mid engine Ferrari is the 458 and 458 Speciale. It's not the point if "the SUV will kill them". It's a poor decision to move dramatically away from the roots of the company. In Rob Lay's 2nd post in this thread, he said it perfectly:

     
  25. TheMayor

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    I would like to remind you that once, and for quite a few years, Nokia was the world leader in cell phone sales, trends, and technology with extremely high brand loyalty.

    When was the last time you bought a Nokia flip phone?
     

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