So he's in a coma and on a ventilator now. How sudden and unexpected.
Heavy smoker, workaholic, slept in his private jet between work meetings... At some point he had to break. I didn´t like many of his cars and some of his attitudes, but the man delivered. Hope he recovers and enjoys a well deserved retirement.
I never suggested that a majority of smokers die specifically of lung cancer, but evidentually informed opinion is that smoking shortens your life. It's also addictive in a way that motor racing or most other hobbies isn't (exhilarating though they may be), and that impinges on the smoker's informed choice once they have developed that addiction. Many people (including my own mother, who smoked throughout her pregnancy with me and my siblings, and around us when we were babies/children/teenagers) were denied the evidence of the harm that smoking caused, by executives of the tobacco companies who suppressed and distorted the evidence. Fortunately for me she didn't take Thalidomide, although of course that was also legal at the time. As a non-smoker I just think smoking is a dirty, smelly habit and I am grateful that the civilized world has woken up and I no longer have to endure people smoking over me at work, in restaurants whilst I'm eating and in pubs. As a liberal and a libertarian if you want to 'look cool' and kill yourself in private, be my guest; but don't expect me to condone corporate power that exploits people just for the good of its bottom line. Guns have no place at all in this discussion - guns have just one purpose and that is to kill.
[emoji122] very well said! I'm tired of this constant thought of big government. It assumes that the people are too stupid to know what's good for them, so government needs to make the decisions for us. I have not been a fan of Mr Marchionne, but I'm deeply saddened upon learning of these health issues. Will definitely be keeping him and his in our thoughts and prayers. Sent from my SM-G955U using FerrariChat.com mobile app
Again sad to hear. Wth the new CEO in charge, my personal belief is that he will keep things consistent with Ferrari as the team has already "gelled" together in the big picture. It's bad enough the team has SM on their minds (as grave as the situation maybe) and to split things up at the moment(or in Hungary) given the teams performance as a whole so far would rattle things a bit IMO. LeClerc has already proven he's faster than Ericsson. Move him to HAAS in a better car and see how he goes up against K-Mag. K-Mag does'nt give a rats a** since GRO cannot pressure him so LeClerc with HAAS would have to up his game against K-Mag.
Never liked him but still wish him the best. He is being treated in Zurich apparently, as good as it gets. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-fiatchrysler-ceo-marchionne/fiat-chryslers-marchionne-being-treated-in-zurichs-university-hospital-idUSKBN1KC0NN
Dirty and smelly like the internal combustion engines that power our beloved race cars and street Ferraris? Sorry, but Formula E is no substitute emotionally and batteries have their own environmental impact. Back when our moms smoked during their pregnancies, racing killed not only a crazy number of racers, but also a significant number of spectators, e.g. at Le Mans and the Targa Florio. Everyone knew the risks of both racing and smoking, even if the tobacco companies suppressed some data. Many would say that Enzo was also a ruthless businessman that exploited racers just for the good of the racing & financial bottom line. Most tobacco executives have also smoked. Nothing is black and white. Companies are not inherently good or evil. The truth is more nuanced. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Government bans, smoking regulations, and gun control are all topics best left for P&R. Let's try to stay vaguely on topic in F1, please. You don't think exotic cars and Formula 1 experiences give a monoaminergic rush that can be addictive? All the best, Andrew.
I agree and apologize for going OT. I felt that it was pertinent to respond on behalf of both SM and the talented Ferrari execs who have honed their business skills in the corporate suites of Philip Morris. Also, there are many parallels with the political correctness of F1 and racing, in general. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Very sad to hear. He was not my favorite by any means but he did bring Alfa Romeo back to the USA and probably saved FIAT and Chrysler(what is left of it). Romney wanted to liquidate Chrysler.
I disagree. He was diluting the brand. Ferrari is projected to build 9,000 cars in 2018. That's a 300% increase in the last 2.5 decades. Factor in the SUV and i'm sure production goes well over 10,000 soon. Remember when Porsche was a manufacturer of high performance sports cars of a particular nature? Today they are mass produced with limited consideration for their founder who first modified a Volkswagen to "go a little bit faster" IMHO Joe
It's an interesting argument, comparing the specialness of automotive advancement to rarity. Should an end product be compared on its merits as an individual car without feeling diluted by the number of units produced and sold? Does someone else having the opportunity to purchase the car you did diminish its achievement as an automotive benchmark? All the best, Andrew.
Well the problem ends up being it costs the rest of society a lot. If someone wants to smoke and they foot the bill for their cancer workup and treatment, that's cool. I'm okay with people not wearing seat belts or other safety devices during commuting as long as they pay for all the associated medical expenses when things go wrong. The problem is that rarely happens. I read PET-CTs and regular CTs for a living and I see cancer all the time (I'm the first one to diagnosis it and the one that says whether it's amendable to surgery or needs chemo). It's incredibly expensive (just the PET-CT). And then you have to figure in the cost of all the treatment and follow-up imaging studies... Again, I'm all for people doing what they want with their bodies, but I don't agree with shifting costs on others for choices they make. And not just smoking, but other things bad for ones health.
I understand where you're coming from, and do not disagree. I never said anything about footing the bill. I don't believe anyone should get a fee ride.
This in the trustworthy La Gazzetta dell sport (Italy's daily sports paper) states he was fully planning to make Haas a Maserati linked team starting this summer: makes perfect sense, let's see if it still happens https://www.gazzetta.it/Formula-1/23-07-2018/marchionne-ultimo-sogno-era-riportare-f1-maserati-280845114046.shtml
But does it? If you are going to add up costs you must include all costs. It used to be that since lung cancer was rapidly fatal with few treatment options,... it was actually a cost benefit due to reduced social security expenditures and future average health costs. Not sure if this is still the case. A bit grim reaper,... but actuarial analysis often is.
I know of an old study done by a Vanderbilt economist saying that, but that was a while back. I know we have better therapies now and the patients are living longer. HCC with TheraSphere living a lot longer now. Some new monoclonal antibodies have had great response on PET follow-ups. Of course all very expensive treatments. Plus that study took into account payouts in terms of pension and ss, too, but those are not as good as before. I think now it's almost surely net negative. Anyway that's all I really have to say about why I think the govt steps in to make rules. $$$
It's not an individual choice. I never asked to be a passive smoker! So why should I suffer the addiction of others who pollute my air with their stinking habit? I don't care what smokers do to their body or their finance. I don' care if they die quicker or not, that's not the point. Smokers have smelly clothes, bad breath and are unhygenic. Why should I have to put up with that? Have you ever sat in a smoker's car? It would make me puke. I make a point of having nothing to do with smokers, not to socialise with them. I avoid them like the plague. As for the Tobacco industry? Pablo Escobar is a saint compared to them !!!!
Sad (but not wholly unexpected) how callous some people can be even when a persons life hangs in the balance....
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