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MARK WEBBER' Idea For Increasing F1 Spectators *SPOILER*

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  1. RP

    RP F1 World Champ

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    Mark Webber says Turkish fans should have been allowed into Sunday's grand prix for free after very poor attendance figures at the Istanbul circuit.

    Official figures said just 36,000 three-day tickets were sold for the circuit with a capacity for 130,000 people.

    Most of the grandstands were empty during the weekend, with some of then covered with giant black cloths.

    Webber believes the tickets were just too expensive for the Turkish population.

    "There was no one here," Webber was quoted as saying by Reuters after the race. "There were a lot of people that tried to come in today but obviously it's not that cheap and things like that but we should have let them in for free at the end.

    "It would have been nice for the show to let people in. I'm sure there's a lot of people that would want to come to the Turkish Grand Prix but can't afford to because it's very expensive."

    Ferrari's Felipe Massa echoed Webber's thoughts.

    "I think when you come here and you see in the city that there are massive fans around, and you come here and see that there is nobody then you know that it is just too expensive," he said.

    "So we have to make it cheaper. We prefer to race at a track with cheaper tickets but a lot of people inside, because if they put down the price of the tickets it would be full.

    "That is also one of the issues we have, that it is too expensive. If you go in normal families, if you need to spend 1000 Euros for you and your two kids, you think about what to do. You say I prefer to watch on television, so for me it is clear."

    The Istanbul circuit is already facing doubts about its future, with motorsport federation head Mumtaz Tahincioglu admitting on Friday it would be hard for the track to keep the GP.

    "It won't be easy to come to an agreement," Tahincioglu was quoted as saying by the Today's Zaman newspaper. "There's tough competition, like when we started. Notification is given as a reminder that the contract will finish on January 12, 2012. The contract only provides for races through the 2011 season.

    "It means if we want to continue we have to come to an agreement with Mr. Ecclestone before then, and of course he has serious candidates, some of whom have committed to expensive construction."
     
  2. jknight

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    #2 jknight, Jun 7, 2009
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    Another reason we quite attending F1 races. Wayyyy over priced tickets. If they let spectators in free or even 2 for 1 at reduced prices, kids free those people might spend monies for food, souveniers, etc.. Why alienate those who have an interest but not the money? F1 really needs a lesson from the real "fan friendly" series.

    Mark is definitely correct!!

    Carol
     
  3. RP

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    When you compare, F1 tickets, at least for the USGP when it was in Indianapolis, were not that bad. For the USGP, front straight, penthouse covered seat opposite pits at the S/F line, I think $125-$150. My race day ticket for the Indy 500, best seat, best stand, $150 for the last 4 years. My race day ticket for the Daytona 500, Sprint Tower approx S/F line, 50th row, something like $325!!!

    I understand some European venues for similar seats are closer to $500. But general admission, should be really cheap, like $10.

    Having said all of this, I wonder if even if it were free, would many more people have come, or is F1 not much important in Turkey as it is in the USA? As in there should never have been a race in Turkey as their are not enough fans.
     
  4. SRT Mike

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    If "similar seats" means front straight covered at the S/F line, you are talking about 800 Euro PER SEAT or more at most of the Euro races. So if two people are going, that's 1,600Eu, over $2,000USD. Ridiculously expensive.

    I was in the uncovered grandstand in the back for at the first chicane @ Monza and IIRC it was around $750 for two seats, purchased right from the track. This is another of Bernie's problems... he wants to claim 120% of whatever the track takes in for himself... and it is unsustainable. The tracks need to be able to host a race, pay their cut to Bernie, and still turn a profit. With attendance way way down, and with a lot of the subsidized track countries having plenty of internal problems that would make it hard to justify millions in subsidies for an F1 race, Bernie is going to have a very difficult time renegotiating those contracts.

    If he goes into the negotiations with a bunch of no-name rats on the grid, he's screwed. Totally screwed.
     
  5. RP

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    Front straight, S/F line for Monza in September is $530 Euros per seat. Thats the most expensive Sunday seat available. As you go around the circuit, it goes down to around $125 Euros. When I went in 2000, those S/F seats were around $180 USD.
     
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    #6 SRT Mike, Jun 7, 2009
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    seems they dropped the prices! I remember thinking I was a baller and I could afford hospitality seats... IIRC they were around 1600 euro each!

    Still.. 1060 euro for a pair of seats. That's a heck of a lot of $$$ for a 2 hour F1 race, isn't it? And Monza is one of the tracks that gets special pricing from Bernie.

    Two NASCAR seats for later this month were something like $180 and those were the "good" seats.

    F1 could learn from NASCAR on this front, IMO.
     
  7. RP

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    You are going to New Hampshire, don't forget my Sunday Datyona 500 seats are around $325, so I hope F1 does not learn from NASCAR, Ihope they learn from Tony George and the Indianapolis Speedway. But I unserstand your point, F1's pricing is not appropropriate for most places in the world.
     
  8. jknight

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    Best deal at Monza this year!!!http://www.monzanet.it/upload/documenti/Fans%20Club%20Hospitality%20-%20inglese%20-%202009.pdf - Ascari is one of the best watching places on the circuit.

    Carol
     
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    Oh yah... Turkey is MUCH better than Canada or the US (eyes rolling).

    And they wonder why F-1 is in trouble....
     
  10. berkg

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    The ticket prices are ridiculous... Its an annual event in the end with limited appeal, not a World Cup Final. I think they really need to review their strategies...
     
  11. Sean F.

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    Ticket prices are that high b/c race track owners/organizers have NO OTHER WAY to make money. Bernie controls TV, Advert signs AT the track, everything. Ticket sales are the only way that race tracks can make back money over the costs incurered over the weekend. Not to mention the fee's they have to pay Bernie just to hold the race.
     
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    That is why the FOTA have to hold out and get rid of those 2 rats. They hold every track hostage.
     

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