Maserati Ghibli (1966 - 1973)

Hi Mike! Good to see you are making inroads on the Ghibli. you may be interested in this which I stumbled across a while ago.

http://www.panteraplace.com/page164.htm

De Tomaso also sourced the window lift mechanism and motors from Ducellier, so the whole thing is the same as a Ghibli.
Pantera custodians seem less averse to modification than many ‘exotic marque’ owners, so some bright spark found you could transplant the motor and integral gearbox from a Ford Aerostar minivan.
This particular clever mod is completely reversible though. Unfortunately, the 4 stud motors which this requires are thin on the ground now. I did find a pair at a breaker in Oregon a few months back, and have installed them on my Ghibli window lifts. They run much faster and are infinitely quieter. (And I had made best efforts to clean and lubricate the old motor). I have made some video clips but they are too large to load here. I will try and put an open Dropbox link in later. I’m keeping all of the parts which I removed so that it can all be put back to stock should some subsequent owner desire that.
The motors only pull about 2-3 amps apparently, not 7 like the old motors, so that should save burning out the points on the stupidly expensive Ducellier window switch.

There is apparently a further mod which uses more common Ford Taurus motors, but requires hacking into the regulator frame. I thought that a step too far. incidentally, I think some Alfa parts suppliers have the same type of replacement motor as MIE, but priced much more agreeably. Maybe Midwest Bayless or someone like that may have something. It was used as a tailgate motor on the Lancia Fulvia too….


All the best.
Mark

 

Here is the Dropbox link…..hope it works.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/sso4r3t3a2l25eu/AAAZdR36sGa_xzK3TJAvswdma?dl=0

 

Hi Mark. Thank you for the info! Ed had sent me the videos and I am intrigued about the Aerostar window winders. I will also be checking some of the fiat parts suppliers for motors as well. It looks like the emergency window crank (hand crank) cannot be installed with the Aerostar solution. Is this correct?
Mike

 

Yes, that’s correct Mike. The one slight downside I suppose, although hopefully with new window motors, the backup system wouldn’t be needed!!

 

Worth checking the stud spacing of course, but this was the one I was thinking of.

https://classicalfa.com/gl015-spider-montreal-alfetta-gtv-electric-window-motor/

have a great evening all!
Mark

 

Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login One of the founders of the swedish Maseraticlub, Staffan Enhörning left a lot of material collected during + 50 years. Here are some original b/w photos as well as the press release for the Earls court motorshow 1967 where the Ghibli was first shown in the UK. It is interesting that they claim it to be the fastest production car without telling how fast it is

 

Here is a magazine type of broschure with a handwritten note ”Genève 3/70” Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login

 

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And in true Maserati fashion you end a Ghibli broschure with an interior picture of an Indy! Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login

 

My shift lever doesn't look right to me. I would be interested to know everyone's thoughts on whether a previous owner has cobbled something together. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Here are a few pictures.....

 

Having looked at other cars online, I don't think the wooden knob belongs on top of the larger diameter chrome tube (my car is a 1971). I can't separate the wooden knob from the chrome tude. I hope it was not glues or epoxied.

 

New topic. I'm wiring the Becker radio. Two cars sold on Bring a Trailer are my gold standard for what a Ghibli interior should look like. Both cars have a Becker radios installed. However, i can't see any evidence of speakers. Were no speakers installed? Or were two or four speakers installed and really well hidden?
https://bringatrailer.com/maserati/ghibli/?q=maserati%20ghibli
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-maserati-ghibli-5/

 

Sorry the first link didn't work
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-maserati-ghibli-ss-2/

 

On a coupe there are two speakers on the B post panel, behind the seats. The panel is covered in leather and has perforations.
Look at the photos on my website as there is probably one that shows it, although this is an area seldom photographed.
https://thecarnut.com/priormaser/
Someone with a coupe should be able to post a photo.
Ivan

 

This is a picture where one of the two rear speakers would be located..

Hope this helps...

Mike
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You may also find on other cars that one speaker is located on the inboard kick panel of the passenger footwell, whilst a second is placed towards the rear of the luggage compartment mounted on the fibreglass finisher. The speaker grilles were the same as those used in Jaguar E type. These locations are much more obvious though, so probably not what you want. Image Unavailable, Please Login

Best to all.
Mark.

 

Hello Fredric,

Yes this was the Citroen internal magazine for staff and sales network which came out several times a year, it is now very rare.

This issue as you can see is dedicated to the presentation of Maserati to Citroen staff. It came out in a number of languages for each country's Citroen staff and dealers.
While it says 3/70 written by hand I believe it is older than that closer to the 1968 acquisition of Maserati by Citroen.

This magazine made a great impression on a certain kid whose dad worked for Citroen at the time: little me My father ran Citroen Portugal at the time and anytime he brought something to do with Maserati to our Lisbon apartment I was fascinated.

I was able to find that issue decades later and have it in my collection, somewhere, with all the Khamsin brochures and test drive articles.

 

Ivan, is the B post location with the perforations in the leather the correct location for two speakers? Most of the cars on your website do not have the speakers located on either side of the radio on the inner trim kick panel. This is how my car is. Not to say that my car is correct. On the stunning car that you sold on BaT last May (AM115/1584), I can't see any evidence of the leather perforations near the B post. Were speakers not installed on your car or were they well hidden in a different location?

Mark, thanks for the tip on the speaker grills being the same as an E Type.

 

Here is another picture of my Ghibli SS when I first got her....
In the picture you can see the speaker on the inner trim kick panel.
Obviously, there is one on the driver side as well.. Are these original,
I can't be sure. But I think the location probably is correct as I think most
of the better stereo radios supported 4 speakers back then. So in my case there is 1
on each kick panel and one on each B post for a total of 4...

Mike
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on #2110 they were located in the panel covering the rear wheel arches behind the seats

 

Thanks for the pictures of the rear speaker location. My car has these rear speakers.

I've found factory installed speaker wire that has a braided copper shield. The copper braid is grounded to the chassis of the rear speakers. However, an after-market radio was installed in my car and two additional speakers were added on either side of the after-market radio. As a result of this after-market installation, I have no idea what the braided copper wire was connected to in-period at the radio. I'm installing a period correct Becker Europa II radio. I assume the copper braid was used to reduce interference. Any ideas what the copper braid should be connected to at the Becker radio? Or is the copper braid simply grounded at the radio end?

 

I have seen several coupes with speakers mounted on either side of the radio console but, other than the spyders, I doubt any of these were factory installed. The USA Ghibli SS brochure does not show speakers on the console. It is possible that some may have been installed dealers. Also, a radio with a black fascia is most likely aftermarket as these became popular in the late 70s and 80s.

Spyders have chrome speaker grills mounted on either side on the radio console. As mentioned before, those are very similar to the ones used on the Jaguar 3.8 liter e-types.

bobj123: Ghibli 1584 was nicely restored by a previous owner. You are correct that it does not have the leather perforations for the speakers but since that was not an original interior it is most likely they did not bother making the perforations as few people actually use the radio.

Ivan

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Thanks to everyone's input, I've learned that speakers on either side of the radio console were not installed by the factory for a coupe. I'm going with only the two speakers mounted on the "B post" panel behind the seats. This makes sense because my Becker Europa radio has speaker jacks for only two speakers. My after-market radio installation had four speakers. This makes a big difference when I'm trying to do a factory correct re-upholstery of the interior. I would have been gutted had the upholstery shop cut the leather to accommodate the two holes on either side of the radio console that were not originally there at the factory. I will fiberglass/epoxy the two holes in the fiberglass panel.

Now, if I could only find out how to connect the braided copper shielding at the radio end of the rear speaker wires.

 

Here is a definitive answer from 1aespinoza (many thanks) on a car audio forum:

So it has Positive, Negative, and the Braided sleeve on the speaker side. Pos and Neg are connected to the voice coil while Braided is connected to the speaker chassis. If that is correct, then the braided could go connected to the radio chassis as well. It is to give EMF noise a direct path to ground, so direct chassis contact is the common practice.

 

One might suggest the market is a bit flat.
This is 115*188. LHD car in a UK auction, also red probably held it back. I didn’t see it in person but the photos show the interior could do with a refresh. No idea about mechanicals.

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