MIE has a pallet load of them. At least they did about 5 years ago.
Just returned from Auto Italia and this year due to suspect weather didnt take my car and what happens Sunny day, I hear they had a hail storm so i hope there was damage. But last year here is a picture called Khamsin Storm please ignore the Merc emblem. Graeme Image Unavailable, Please Login
A while ago, I came to the realization that apart from being used as a parts car, (probably for #1038 since it was the same owner), some questionable and some mean things were done to my Khamsin over the years. For example: the front seats were recovered with vinyl, (which I realized when I bought the car). My question: should all the leather-looking material be actual leather? Only my dash is leather. All else that I can see, including door panels, center console, rear seats and boot area are vinyl. Alcantera is on the dash top, the instrument panels and in the door inset panels. The ceiling is light grey, wide ribbed vinyl. The carpet is short cut pile. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Good Question and this has been discussed but the trim was very much up to the person who ordered the car. I know of an Auto in Melbourne with velour trim and others with combo trim materials. There was a very original car retrimmed here and it was leather on the seats door trim consol dash face. Early Alcantara Vinal Backed on the dash top and incerts but buts thats just an example of a generic dealer order. The only people who really know is the Factory Archieves. Graeme PS I have been approched twice this year by people wanting Khamsin's ........
Hi Greame, There are probably people around that want to sell them some original Khamsin US bumpers (non -silicone) so they can start small... Trim: The combination of leather and velours was an original factory option. Attached a picture of such a car #354 claimed to be delivered like this from new! Ciao, Bart Image Unavailable, Please Login
Thanks Graeme and Bart. But what about the luggage area? The wheel well covers, fuel tank cover, etc.? Mine is vinyl but apparently intended to look like leather. Do you think this is stock or perhaps was it re-trimmed?
Hi Carmine, During my Khamsin hunt and other years of interest in Khamsins I have never seen a Khamsin in vinyl or besides yours, never heard about it. This does not mean Maserati did not do one like this but at least not standard. Do not forget these were the Citroën years and the chances to just do anything a customer wanted were becoming more limited. I have seen some cars that were really untouched, the leather velours versions I came accross twice! What are you looking for, how the original trim was done in leather? Ciao, Bart
Hi Bart, Thanks for your reply. My complete interior is in serviceable condition and so it is not a priority. At this point I am just trying to find out how much of the car was changed from stock. By now, having thoroughly explored the car, having studied the manuals and F-Chat forums, knowing that I bought the car from a questionable dealer and having met the previous owner who was apparently a man of dubious character -- I have reason to suspect everything. Don't misunderstand. I am still happy with the car. But I've got a lot more work to do than I first imagined. Carmine
The leather and velours combination looks familiar to me, and there is a connection: De Tomaso. My Deauville was upholstered that way too. The interior of 435 is definitively original. I haven't gone through all of it yet, but what I had out was genuine. I'll have a look around in the rear and see what I find. Best, Jack.
Hello all, I just found out that AM120076 which had been advertised in Sweden sold to Germany and was driven down to its new home as it should be! AM120028 which had been in private hands in Ravenna Italy for many years, was sold outside of Italy recently. Best regards, Marc
I wounder just how much? Graeme PS did any one realise its 100 years of BERTONE.... or an I slow on the up take?
Hi from bullet train graeme. 076 sold for euro 65k. I was not part of sale. Don't know price of 028, the ask was 60k euro Best regards, Marc
Maybe for US standards, but for European standards these prices seem rather subdued. Not having seen the cars in question of course make any attempt to read into it a bit pointless. Does anyone have any idea of the condition of either? Carmine, was busy in the garage today, but my hands were way too dirty to examine the upholstery in the back of 435, after a couple of hours of engine-bay cleaning. I won't forget Best, Jack.
Reasons? Are economic conditions in Europe starting to impact the collector car market? Here in the USA it's a mixed bag. Some people are doing fine. Others are very tight. Thanks, Jack. If an examination of the surface cannot establish the material, then it should be apparent by looking at the backs of the tool kit panel or side fuel tank panel.
Quick question: What does the switch do that is located on the block that connects to the 2 hydraulic lines to the headlights? Best, Jack.
Hi Jack, I think from memory it's a low pressure warning switch. I think there's more than one if you look at the wiring diagram, though I don't think it's totally correct for late cars. I take it you mean the block on the inner left wing (fender)? Carmine; The interior on my car #433 is original other than me re-working the colour on the leather with colour matched dye after a good clean. The colour is described as Bianca, written on the back of the various panels which can best be described as a pale cream, though the factory build sheet describes this as white. The interiors as mentioned differed in details, but my car has leather all the way back to the boot area. I had every piece out of the car when I restored the colour other than the dash. My dash differs in detail to other's I have seen where the glovebox and main instrument binnacle are covered in the moleskin (alcantara) material. Others will have leather across the board, but the dash top I have always seen in that moleskin/ alcantara material. Also my door cards have a central panel that is covered in the same moleskin, but other cars are full leather. Hope that helps. Bal
Hi Carmine, enclosed some pictures of the interior of my car, all original, never been replaced or repaired. I went down to my basement opened the doors to awaken the sleeping beauties and made you some pictures. All the black is leather except for the inserts on the door panels they are kind of suede or alcantara. Jack, The pressure switch activates the head light relay. If you want more detailed pics, let me know, Ciao, Bart Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Jack, I recall from studying the documents that some countries had the requirement for an advisory light on the dash, indicating headlamps up. Bart, that makes more sense. Possibly I misunderstood the diagrams. Carmine
Thanks, Bal. Thanks, Bart. Your car is very nice. I hope the new owner of #1038 shows up around here soon so I can find out his experiences. Of course I expect him to conduct himself as a gentleman and return to me the parts that were taken from my car to keep his running.
Thanks for the answers Bal, Carmine, Bart! The switch is disconnected on 435: the high beams come on only with the switch on the centre console, so I need to look into this. The whole lighting-arrangement is a little confusing, I assume that all of it should work with the steering column switch if the pressure switch for pods-up is working properly. Carmine, 435 has leather all round, with cloth on glovebox, centre-dash and main binacle, as well as the cant-rails and door-inserts. Dash-top is cloth too, of course, and I am still looking for the correct material to re-cover the dash-top. It's hard to find! (damn mouse....) Best, Jack.
Hi Jack, Pitty you could not make it last time in NL. The wiring of the light switch differs in different countries. In the US version there are variants where the position lights (with these X-mas tree side markers) can be switched on without the pods up. In Europe one had different versions too. With position lights on the front bumper combined with the trafficator lights and the position lights in the low beam units in the pods. The latter would only come on with the pods raised. To my best knowledge This was for cars delivered new to France and Swiss. More over the manual does not list all the different wiring diagrams! The US wiring harnass always contains wiring for the fog lights. At least, to activate the lights the center console switch always has to be used. Did I add to your confusion? Ciao, Bart
Bart, Indeed a pity that I was unable to meet with you this time around, I hope the rain-check won't go stale! Thanks much for the additional information. Confusion? No, it's as clear as mud I suppose that my relais is stuck on high beam with the hydraulic switch disconnected. The parklights work, with pods up. I have to go look at the car later and see what functions and what not. I also need to test the hydraulic switch, I'm sure it was disconnected for a reason. The switch looks like a normal brake-light switch to me. Hope that's correct, I'll get a new one from Midas (e.g. Autozone etc.) if it is inop. I seem to remember something from the previous owner telling me that connecting the switch would blow the fuse. I'll start digging into that once I have the engine bay clean to my standards. It's not looking bad at all, and I think I cleared out the last nest yesterday. Still wondering what they are, fortunately all the pods are empty, it looks like a nasty critter that used my engine bay for a breeding ground. Lots of diesel is being used to clean, the garage smells like a service station. I am somewhat disappointed in the surfaces of the various aluminium castings, they are quite rough. Getting the webbing clean on the intake-manifolds is a bit of a pain without dismantling the lot. Progress is being made though, the carbs look like new again, with all original plating intact. I also found that someone painstakingly removed the black wrinkle-paint from the valleys of the heads. They did a great job, but the paint is still there in the space of cylinder 1. as a telltale. I'll need to correct that too. Otherwise I haven't found much untoward in there. I'll order new accel pump diaphragms while I'm in there. Next then is checking valve-lash and timing, and re-finishing 2 valve-covers, of which the paint is damaged. I'm babbling again! Best, Jack.
Hi guys From Memory its switch that activates a relay to allow power to the lights when the headlights are selected up. it makes it intereting as you cannot have just parkers with lights down, unless the German spec emergency switch is installed. Its this switch I use to control the electric actuators for the headlights when I converted them. Graeme
