Maserati Khamsin | Page 3 | FerrariChat

Maserati Khamsin

Discussion in 'Maserati' started by Maeter, Feb 24, 2008.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. wbaeumer

    wbaeumer F1 Veteran
    Consultant

    Mar 4, 2005
    8,827
    Pascal, very cool color combination. A great car!!!!

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  2. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

    that does appear to be the car i saw at gary's. the best khamsin i had ever seen PERIOD!!!!!!!
     
  3. Darthvader

    Darthvader Karting

    Jan 14, 2006
    145
    new york
    I have been trying to send you more pictures of the Ghibli and Khamsin, as well as the Daytona
    and Boxer (these are upon request), but I cannot manage the attachments.
    When I click on manage attachments there is a message: error on page.
    It seems that there is a problem with the Ferrari Chat site.
    Any suggestion
     
  4. Darthvader

    Darthvader Karting

    Jan 14, 2006
    145
    new york
    I posted some time ago pictures of the Ghibli SS, in the thread Maserati Ghibli pictures
    1966-1973, on the first page you will find 4 pictures
     
  5. Darthvader

    Darthvader Karting

    Jan 14, 2006
    145
    new york
    My son(Amenasce) posted a picture of the yellow boxer and you can find it if you
    go to the Ferrari side of the chat under the caption Models : Boxers/TR/M
    on the thread "Just how many Boxer owners", on page 14
     
  6. Nembo1777

    Nembo1777 F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Nov 4, 2006
    10,184
    opposite lock
    Full Name:
    Marc Sonnery
    Great photos Pascal!

    Getting back to earlier comparisons between Euro and US Khamsins: of course a Euro model will always be more desirable as it built the way it was meant to be.

    However there are some nuances:

    The performance of a US car depends on whether it still has its emissions equipment and reburning chamber exhaust.
    The sheer weight of the US bumpers and shocks within is huge, I do beleive I felt the difference after I converted mine (AM120US1242).

    US Khamsins, destined to a market with severe and very low speed limits hqve their timing tuned for torque whereas Euro models are tuned for peak power.
    US cars have a lower differential ratio, thus the cars get up to speed faster but have a lower top speed. I still saw an indicated 160mph 26 times in my car in the Everglades (just kidding officer Bubba).
    Euro cars (remember the Khamsin was conceived in late 1971, early 1972 and first displayed at Turin in October of 1972 as a prototype) were conceived when there was no speed limit therefore they are geared loooong, which is wonderful on an Autobahn trip in ideal conditions but the two I rode in last year in Europe (270 and 016) felt too long geared to me compared to my car, of course it is like debating whether a glass is half full or half empty, both have their pros and cons.
    Still I think in the modern world the shorter gearing is better even though I did dream of higher gearing the few times I really had the room to keep pushing.

    Note that when reaching top speed with a US car that still has its US exhaust headers the reburning chambers do not allow the gases to exhaust fast enough and they become red hot which raises the water temerature dramatically.

    US cars have softer suspension than Euro models.

    I see no reason why a US car with Euro exhaust headers and without its emissions equipment, tuned for peak power would be any slower than a Euro car.
    Of course a standard US car will be slower though it has more torque.

    Now the above concerns 5 speed gearbox cars.

    The Automatics are another matter: the gearing of that gearox is very short and top speed drops enormously, it is about 50kph or more than 30mph slower than the Euro 5 speed.
    It does however work much better with the Maserati V8 than with a Ferrari or Lambo V12 due to the V8 being more torquey and lower revving. I drove the Khamsin spyder (AM120US1030) in October for an article, it is an automatic and it worked very nicely was effortless to drive. O f course I still prefer the 5 speed by far.
     
  7. wbaeumer

    wbaeumer F1 Veteran
    Consultant

    Mar 4, 2005
    8,827
    #57 wbaeumer, Mar 3, 2008
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    This early Khamsin (#262) is owned by a Citroen dealer in Germany. The car underwent numerous upgrades in engine- and suspension tuning. Late summer last year the car was stopped on the long straight of the Nuerburgring with incredible 288,32 km/h!!!
    2 years ago the car was modified to an injection system.

    Its not a Khamsin I personally like in its white-metallic (non-original) and with all this modifications. But it was impressive to see how fast this Khamsin goes today!

    Ciao!
    Walter
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  8. Nembo1777

    Nembo1777 F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Nov 4, 2006
    10,184
    opposite lock
    Full Name:
    Marc Sonnery
    Excellent!

    Did he report any nose lift or feel the nose getting lighter?

    I have a photo of that car, I believe it was in Italy or I found that photo in an Italian website anyway.

    It all sounds good except the fule injection: carbs sound so much better:I like to go against the grain;-)
     
  9. amenasce

    amenasce Three Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Oct 17, 2001
    33,073
    Full Name:
    Joe Mansion
    Mais quel kakou celui la..un autocollant du ferrari club france sur la Ford GT ...
     
  10. wbaeumer

    wbaeumer F1 Veteran
    Consultant

    Mar 4, 2005
    8,827
    The car is quite stable at high speed as a lot of weight is on the front axle.

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  11. Nembo1777

    Nembo1777 F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Nov 4, 2006
    10,184
    opposite lock
    Full Name:
    Marc Sonnery
    Yes it is at the usual Khamsin top speeds, it felt stable as an arrow when I drove it at top speed many times but this is a bit beyond and there is a treshold beyond which aero forces overcome the weight.

    Cleto Grandi, Giulio Alfieri's chief engineer told me that in early Khamsin prototype testing they had a radiator openeing "the car's mouth" which was higher up in the nose, it was as long but narrower in height....this generated high speed lift!
    The nose was more shaped like a sled basically and that was the cause so they enlarged the radiator opening downwards.
     
  12. italiancars

    italiancars F1 Rookie

    Apr 18, 2004
    3,339
    Hershey, PA
     
  13. Nembo1777

    Nembo1777 F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Nov 4, 2006
    10,184
    opposite lock
    Full Name:
    Marc Sonnery
    Hello Joe:

    You mean 9000rpm was not ok! LOL!

    Well it certainly, no matter how optimistic Italian speedometers tend to be, was a lot faster than 135mph, so perhaps but in the history of my (ex) car I see no trace of anyone even liklely to have ordered that diff ratio...Let me go look at the build sheets to see if it says something... back with another post in a minute....
     
  14. Nembo1777

    Nembo1777 F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Nov 4, 2006
    10,184
    opposite lock
    Full Name:
    Marc Sonnery
  15. Nembo1777

    Nembo1777 F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Nov 4, 2006
    10,184
    opposite lock
    Full Name:
    Marc Sonnery
    Oviously no mention of any specific diff.

    Joe I think your figure refers to a US automatic car, that is my two cents anyway. As you know there is a lot of misinformation about Khamsins (when there is any information at all) which is why I started the Registry in the first place, as you yourself considerd doing for a while (thanks again for your data) Certainly when I rode in 016 and 270 this past year, two standard Euro 5 speeds I did feel the dainty take off and how more long legged they felt, quite a contrast to the way a US car feels and I have driven several quite a bit.

    Best regards,

    Marc

    www.maseratikhamsinregistry.com
     
  16. Darthvader

    Darthvader Karting

    Jan 14, 2006
    145
    new york
    #66 Darthvader, Mar 4, 2008
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    Here pictures of Ghibli SS and Khamsin.
    They are both the second time I have these cars.
    My first Ghibli SS was a wonderful car, with the same color of the Ghibli
    in the film La Piscine, but with a beige interior. It had an unusual exhaust with
    four tail pipes.
    I sold it, and the moment I did I regreted it.
    So some time later I decided to but another Ghibli which is this one.
    I love the lines of this car, so elegant, one of the best, particularly
    the car seen from the side.The sound of the exhaust is outstanding too.
    This is my second Khamsin, I bought the first one from Mandarano,
    which I believe has a business on Maserati spare parts.
    It was Blue and cream interior, but it was not on the same
    shape of this red one.
    Although both cars were totally restored, there is always
    something to be done on the old Maseratis, but I love them.
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  17. Darthvader

    Darthvader Karting

    Jan 14, 2006
    145
    new york
    #67 Darthvader, Mar 4, 2008
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    Here you can see pictures of the Ghibli, and also of a Bora - 1977 european model,
    with italian licence plates. I made a mistake, and I sold the car- it had original
    5000km, a time capsule, and I found it in a dealer in Canada, from whom
    I had bought a 25 Anniversary Countach - with 300 km.
    Anyway I made a mistake of selling the Bora.
    You can also see one picture of the 365 GT4/BB.
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  18. climb

    climb F1 Rookie

    Sep 19, 2006
    4,866
    Atlantic Beach Fl
    Full Name:
    Stuart K. Hicks
    What a beautiful car!!!
     
  19. wbaeumer

    wbaeumer F1 Veteran
    Consultant

    Mar 4, 2005
    8,827
    Emena --and the VIN`s are????

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  20. Darthvader

    Darthvader Karting

    Jan 14, 2006
    145
    new york
    Ghibli SS AM 115492008
    Khamsin AM 120US 1298
     
  21. Darthvader

    Darthvader Karting

    Jan 14, 2006
    145
    new york
    I live in Rye, New York, near White Plains and Greenwich.
    Can anybody recommend a good mechanic where I can take my cars, not very far from
    Rye?

    Thanks in advance
     
  22. Attitude928

    Attitude928 Formula Junior

    Nov 1, 2003
    945
    NYC
  23. Darthvader

    Darthvader Karting

    Jan 14, 2006
    145
    new york
    Thanks for the recommendation.
    I really do not need engine work, but little things that are sometimes a problem
    with our old Maseratis.
    Gas tank leakages, gas fumes into the cockpit, electric windows that do not work,
    brake calipers leaking, etc.
    Does he do these little things?
     
  24. Attitude928

    Attitude928 Formula Junior

    Nov 1, 2003
    945
    NYC
  25. Mang

    Mang F1 Veteran
    Silver Subscribed

    Jul 11, 2007
    5,916
    ta HO
    Full Name:
    Mike S.
    your cars are spectacular! Please MORE photos!!
     

Share This Page