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  1. dkbluec4

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    Thanks to Italian Cars - Campana have a set of sun visors and clip.
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  4. Nembo1777

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    Last week I went to Provence near Avignon to pick up a Ligier Maserati JS2 for a California Silicon valley client friend who also owns a Khamsin I sold to him 7 years ago. Well the seller also had a Khamsin; men of impeccable taste:)!

    It is one I had never seen in person: AM120-042 an early French market car sold by Thepenier:

    K 042 data

    Delivered 13/11/74

    To Mr Rocca

    Radio Blaupunkt

    Vert (green) metal blanc (white)

    Resold 25/2/75 to Winterstein at 10200kms

    Seen at Avignon Motor festival 21-23 March 2014

    August 24 2021 I inspected it at home of the owner near Cavaillon, when picking up the Ligier JS2 for ASW. Fabio Collina of Maserati Classiche sent me this data:

    Basic information:

    KHAMSIN (AM120)

    Chassis number

    AM120*042*

    Gearbox type

    Manual type ZF S 5.24/3

    External colour

    "Verde Scuro" (Dark green)

    Interiors leather colour

    White

    Date of production

    03/04/1974

    Delivery area

    Saint Cloud (Île-de-France)

    End of quote. St Cloud is the west Paris suburb where Thepenier Maserati France was located.
    87000kms. Part of the seats had been redone. The seller who does a lot of vintage rallies had a trunk carpet done with a big bump, shown in a photo to make room for a tool box.
    The tomato red color is unfortunate but the great news is that after I obtained the factory information the owner is very tempted to put it back to its original color:)

    He is coming in it to KHAMSIN CINQUANTA June 16-19 2022 with his rally driver wife!


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    For such an early Khamsin, it looks to be in excellent shape. The current owner has done a wonderful job in keeping it up with minimal attempts to redo it. I appreciate that this car is used and is not a garage queen.
     
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    #9955 Nembo1777, Sep 3, 2021
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    Very true in my Registry database with info on about 360 cars as of this month those missing the most are early cars...so this one is a nice discovery.

    Also this man really drives all his cars, for example he was busy that day but the Ligier was driven 160kms/100 miles by his mechanic each way to its pre purchase inspection in July, no trailer:)
     
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  8. dkbluec4

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    Sun visors and clip arrived from Campana, still in Maserati packaging.
    Excellent service and thanks again to Italiancars.
    Neil.
     
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    I am rebuilding the clutch slave cylinder and when one of the securing caps was removed the small piston (#37) came flying out before I could identify its orientation. The parts manual is not much help as the piston shown is different than the one on the car.
    I know this is a long shot but anyone know the proper orientation of this piston (it is not symmetrical)? I checked with my Citroen contacts and it appears this was a Maserati only part.

    Ivan

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  10. Mexico074

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    Good Morning Ivan...

    Attached is a picture of the clutch slave when I did this work some time ago...

    Note the orientation of the spring to the piston.. It has been a while since I have had
    to do this so I cannot be absolutely certain that this is correct, but I probably took this picture
    to assist when rebuilding... You may wish to wait for corroboration from another source
    to be certain.. But perhaps this will help...

    Mike
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  13. boralogist

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    I also don't recall this detail from when we did same.
    Nonetheless I think you (as corroborated by the parts manual) are right:)
     
  14. thecarnut

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    Thanks Mike. Using the diagram from the parts manual it appears the spring goes towards the back of the car; which means if your photo has the spring in its correct location the longer part of the piston points towards the front of the car. I'll try that first and if it does not work I can always take it apart and flip the piston.

    Ivan
     
  15. rga

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    Hi Roger,

    Good to hear from you.

    A converted US car in Switzerland...? Hmmm I have to do some digging. A lot more fun than just asking Lutziger for the chassis number...but if no clue tomorrow of course I will.

    Back on this tomorrow.
     
  17. Astonish78

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    And with Metric speedometer. How many kilometers or miles has the car really run ?

    o_O
     
  18. Nembo1777

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    #9965 Nembo1777, Sep 14, 2021
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    Well I emailed the Lutzigers to ask because the only US K's I have known to be in Switzerland are 1168 which now has Paris plates but is still in Geneva and 1288 but it was black on black last I saw photos of it so considering this one has been 23 years in the same ownership it looks like another that comes out of nowhere, anther one that stayed under the radar. Will let you know if and when I get an answer.

    The few US cars sold directly in Europe, like 1168 which was sold new locally in Modena actually, were sold with a km gauge not miles, this was a legal requirement as Ermanno Cozza confirmed to me years ago. Of course US cars sold new in the US and then privately reimported to Europe had and in most cases still have their speedometer in miles.
     
  19. rga

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    It actually has a kilometer gauge, I think that is required in Switzerland as well (my Lotus has a km gauge for speed but counts miles ;))
    and it reads 07055, so it is your guess if the 107'000 declared are correct.
    The only other picture i had of this car (I think it was used on a classic rally sometime) shows it was on number plates from BL (Canton of Basel Land).



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  21. Nembo1777

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    This silver one in your photo is actually a right hand drive because it has the additional hood/bonnet vent that only RHD cars have so it is either a car sold new to Oz or one imported later from the UK. As you know Japanese cars are all left hand drive because they insisted on having them "like in Italy" (imagine their struggles at the toll booths in Japan!

    Speaking of unidentified cars this one was spotted in a workshop, I believe in Holland, ten days ago: would love to know which one it is, apparently freshly painted looking great....though the bumpers should be silver and black not body colour.

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    Hi Marc

    About the car in Australia, I did not notice it was RHD, just spotted those horrible indicator boxes underneath, I don't think they were delivered like this in the UK?

    And about the lastest spot in Holland that must be 244, judging by the F1 rear view mirrors. So it was repainted from that ghastly red. I thougth you said it should become Luci del Bosco, a lighter version of it, but I like it!

    Roger
     
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    The Aussi car could have been resprayed as well, I think it could be 353, an automatic with black interior, formerly a faded Oro Kelso.
    What do you think?
     
  24. Nembo1777

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    Hi Roger,
    Yes it is a conundrum but there were various market requirements in various countries so that would explain it....

    Regarding the luci del Bosco car yes bravo you are right it has to be 244! It was bought at the Gallery Aaldering by a major fashion figure in Holland and Nick aaldering had told me the buyer's intention was to paint it in this color. As you say it seems a bit ligher than that, here for comparison below is a photo of 337 in actual Luci del Bosco I took during a visit to McGraths in April 2019.


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    Ah the former Dilip Sen car...well it could be...It (also) has those boxes under the nose though the mirrors would have been changed since they don't match. Here some old photos of it.

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  26. Nembo1777

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    So Fabian Lutziger, Koni' son kindly answered.

    This is AM120US1048 over which I only had a few notes

    K 1048

    Here is what Fabian was able to share:

    - Unit shipped from Maserati, Italy in April 1976.

    - Sold to Denver, CO. dealer Johnson Fine Car Stone on June 12, 1976.

    -Unit Licensed on June 17, 1976 in Colorado under 16FDP60 to list Owner Mr. Alexander Giacco.

    My notes:

    Viale Ciro Menotti member roster 1984

    Khamsin 1976

    Al Homen

    Tulare, Ca

    Back to Fabian Lutziger's notes:

    15 August 1989 arrival in Switzerland from the USA to a first Swiss owner Mr R. in Bern CH.

    Second Swiss owner a Dr. G W from Schaffhausen.

    Third Swiss owner the current consigner who bought it in 1998.

    Will ask Fabio Collina for original color.
     
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  27. 71Satisfaction

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    It looks much better without silver painted bumpers, IMHO. The more you reduce the "presence" of the bumpers, the better.
    - Art
     
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  28. staatsof

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    Another very good reason to always have an accommodating and beautiful woman in the car ... ;)

    Here you almost have to have a fast pass now and even with that one is always fighting the collection agencies foul ups over the phone.
     
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