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  1. Ferraripilot

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    I can’t say if the Nettuno motor shares the odd-fire firing order of the original Maserati 90 degree v6 for the SM/Merak, but I can say there is nothing wrong with how the old one sounds.

    Sorry for the Maser V6 background but I thought it was a good place to mention:

    This clip is the SM Michelin proto which uses the same tuned 2v race/rally Merak/SM engine the Ligier JS2 raced at Le Mans in 73 (makes about 280-290bhp), then in 74 Maserati made about a dozen 3L 4 valve mechanically injected versions that spun to some 9500rpm and allegedly made 430cv. I have never heard a 4v engine run but it was a competitor to the mighty Cosworth DFV. Had to be somethin as it finished Lemans 8th overall in 74 and I believe won its class, finishing in front of several Daytona and RSR.

     
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  3. F1tommy

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    It's the turbo that makes them sound poorly as we know. Sometimes you can tune a V6 turbo to sound better like Ferrari did on the 120 296 even with turbo . I know 1980's turbo F1's sounded great and they also revved at very high rpm's. I also don't think the current 60 degree Maserati turbo sound very good either so it's not just the angle. By the way, at Lemans in 1974 the Ligier JS2 did finish 8th behind 1 RSR and 2 Daytona's plus the RSR turbo prototype that finished second. So no class win, but an amazing engine that should have been developed more. Instead Ligier went with a FORD Cosworth and came in second in 1975 :)
     
  4. Ferraripilot

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    decent raw footage

     
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  5. GTS Bruce

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    At least the transmission will be well tested and reliable. Yes it's getting the tremec the C8 uses.
     
  6. merstheman

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    Turbos mess with induction noise, GPF and mufflers with exhaust noise. When you have both it's quite a challenge to get a car to sound good. Not impossible, but challenging.

    That footage of the cars driving made me thing of the old Castriota Birdcage concept, and how the MC20 sort of carries that design language all these years ahead. Makes me feel happy.
     
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  8. boxerman

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  10. wbaeumer

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    Seems, that I am the only one on this forum who really drove the car!
    For sure Maserati will develop the MC20 to more "stiffer" versions to come. They will for sure work on the sound of the car - but let`s be clear: the days of the raw, hard barking sound of the GranTurismo are over! International noise restrictions do not accept that kind of sound anymore! But I am quite sure, that the after market supplier will offer a noisier exhaust.
     
  11. wbaeumer

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    No - the Alfa 4C is a lot smaller than the MC20. Corvette is bigger than the Maserati and more "edgy".
    Almost all mid-engine cars from Ferrari, McLaren, Rimac, etc. show the more of less the same basic design lines. Lamborghini, Pagani, Bugatti and Koenigsegg are a mit different.
     
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  13. TheMayor

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    SMC == Sheet Molding Compound. This is what the Alfa 4c is made of as well as the Corvette.
     
  14. boxerman

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    Makes sense, easy to mold not too expensive and not much weight gain over cf panels which are way more expensive, plus easy to change shape with new molds..
     
  15. boxerman

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    What are your driving impressions compared to other cars for example hurricane or the enw corvette. Its been described more than once as a bigger faster alpine, which is a really good place to start.

    Yes noise regs especialy in europe are limiting, but others do better. Its not necssarily volume but also sound. The aftermarket usualt turns up the volume but the tune of the sound is not much improved. The key is great sound at just the right volume, ferrari daytona as an example, not too loud sounded great.
     
  16. staatsof

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    So where's the brushed SS roof? Every Tom, Dick and Harry does the black roof schtick. So passé. And ... Maserati should get down on all fours to grovel before VW for the Bora moniker back!

    If they can't make that work then name it it the Merak-MC, it is a V6 after all.
     
  17. TheMayor

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    And a fender bender doesn't cost a fortune.
     
  18. staatsof

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    I bet a rear quarter panel hit is still a huge bill?
     
  19. staatsof

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    Quite literally "shades' of Lamborghini and I like green a lot! Aqua verde would be my preference but I would have to see it first.
     
  20. boxerman

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    At the opposite end of the spectrum I was looking at a bare carbon weave Zonda in the UK, they had lined up the grains of the cloth perfectly even on seams, it was art or the art of ocd.. Cant imagine what effort that took, and one mistake and the panel is toast(or used for a painted car)

    Ah classic GM, they had a amid engined metal framed car with sms pannels in the 80s, the Fiero, then put x car suspension and a crappy motor in it, then finaly they fix the suspension and put a better motor in and production ends, same brilliant formula as the allante, make the car so flawed that by the time you fix it its dead.

    40 years later we get the mid engined vette built much along the same lines as the fiero, but thankfully very well executed.

    Over at Stellants, Alfa fiat maserati whatever, we had the alfa 4c, a brilliant car missing only a wishbone suspension and possibly more Hp.

    Maserati takes that formula and does it bigger and maybe right.

    Truth be told a 4c with wishbones and a quadrafoglio motor would have really hit the spot for me, small swb car 2800lbs 505 hp. Te maserati while bigger and a bit heavier still seems excellente. The more I think about it, the more it appeals, esp as we read there are proper sport seats, lighter spec and somewhat more power(dont think it needs more power). coming. Is this not the car spec many of us have been looking for.

    Yeah a NA V8 might have been better still, but thats nitpicking when the rest looks so good.

    Hopefuly reliability and physical durability are baked in to a degree better than the germans have acheived, thats certainly true with the Gulia post 2018.
    Would one rather have a Gt3 or a cracking sportier version of the MC20 for 50K more. I know which way Im leaning esp if they get the tough and durable part right..

    We're in the sawnsong of the Ice era. You've got one last chance, what would it be.
     
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    i would like mc20 over gt3 IF the maserati had regular doors. cannot see myself using this around town and getting in and out of swan doors. plus i had previous gt3 and its out of my system. 458 is still my fav but covid pricing of extra 30% is too crazy. z06 would be great if it can hold together without exploding motor.
     
  23. wbaeumer

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    I drove the car on Varano circuit near Parma, Italy 4 weeks ago - jumped in and out about 6-7 times. No problems with the door(s). Why? Because the sills are not too wide.
     
  24. 95spiderman

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    No worries about how they work, its just I would feel funny making a scene in my neighborhood every time get in and out. Plus my wife really hates them. Same for me w McLaren
     
  25. boxerman

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    I like cool doors. The only issue is if the car is upside down.
    To me its not what these cars cost to buy so much as cost to run ontrack. Thts directly related to how good(as poopsed to how powerful) the braking system is, how reliable the motor is and weight cause thats tires and pads. Plus all the little bits liek wheel bearings etc that track will qucikly destroy if not suffciently robust.

    On the vete thread a poster was giving us the lowdon on runnin g aGT3, basicaly tires and pads come to $1750 per day. I have no idea if you can change oil on the Pcar at home, ie acess drain plug and filter relatively easily. He was payng a delaer $500 every few days to go though the car do fluids etc.

    The exige is running $100o per day but that includes $400 in race gas, I think the pcar can sue pump gas which if you tow tot he track and fill up on the way is more like $ 4 er gallon.

    It all adds upm the Mc 20 shws greta pormise, biut moste xotics are not really sifficiently resolved to run all day on track without yuge bills. I think the 600lt is the worst, to maintain warranty its a 5k dealer bvist each time plus tires and brakes, so 7k,
     
  26. rockminster

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    My biggest worry is that the car sounds, in the real world, as uninspiring as it sounds in the multiple videos I’ve watched. Has anyone heard of the rumored to be coming sport exhaust is a simple retrofit onto the early production cars? Also, how soon will we see the heavyweight aftermarket exhaust companies have options for the MC20?


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