Maserati Stolen. Need Legal Help!

Go find a good repo man, find and get the car out of the country? This will be good to see what everyone says. Sorry to hear this. I can't get myself to sell much like antiques on consignment because of similiar fears.

 

This is horrible. I have a Ghibli Open Cup and fortunately it's here in the U.S. I can pass this notice along to some of the other websites that deal with Maserati if you like.

Who was the actual dealer?

BTW, do you work for Bosch?

Bob S.

 

Hi,

hahahah, european law....

The buyer cannot be touched, he bought the car from the state, so there is no way he could think the sale wasn't legal.
The dealer is gone, Maserati Deutschland won't care (well they will send you letter sorry blabla but that's it).
Allianz as well, you can't do a thing, the car wasn't stolen

The only and real place you can "strike" is IMHO the state.
They took a car without checking who was the actual owner, and in the end they too something they didn't had the right to.
The problem with these collectors is they take as much as they can, and sometimes, they don't even find someone who knows whose what.
I'll try to ask a laywer friend, maybe he has an exact idea

 

Ok, i checked out with my lawyer friend, he says you definitly must attack the state, as they got their hands on the car, so they are responsible for the theft.

 

Wolfgang is our "Man on the Ground" in Germany.....

Look for him bonking in the European Section........


HTH

 

You might want to post this on [email protected] several members of the group are very active in Germany and know everybody in the Maserati comunity. They may have some constructive ideas.

 

PM Wolfgang.

 

Yes that was me a couple of years ago and I now have the racecar. It's been interesting.

Gosh, this really is an unbelievable story.
I'm no lawyer but it does seem like the state government is the one that made the mistake here. Do you still have a second set of keys. I don't know if there even is such a thing as a repo man over there. Besides, "the new owner" is legal so you could end up making things worse.

I would wait until you have a lawyer that's actually done a case like this.

Why not start with a really big post on Enrico's website. It's a very small community and this might get things pointed in the right direction. I think he would cooperate as he really hates this sort of thing. He could put it in a couple of locations that really stick out. I think he's on vacation till September. I'll duplicate your original post on the following 2 websites. There are a number of europeans on there.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/maserati
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BiturboZentrum

I'll also post it on my website for Ghibli Open Cups. It's very small but we have 3 people in Germany.

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/ghibliopencup/

Perhaps you can send me a private email with the name of the person that now "has" the car? That's just in case I know him. I hope not.

Bob S.

 

yea i agree

 

I think you have a case against the dealer, regardless it's a crappy situation.

 

Noah,

I sent an email to you but I got no reply.

I have several people well connected in Germany that have contacted me and are willing to help but I have no way of connecting you with them.

If you're still interested contact me.

Bob S.

 

You do have a case. Where you located. I got my Law degree from Oxford so only know UK law but my stepfathers law firm specialises in Euro Law. They are called Biscoes and based in Portsmouth, England.

 

Lousy situation! Don't know a heck of a lot about German civil law, but it wouldn't surprise me if the "buyer wins" in this situation, particularly if the city itself sold the vehicle. A self-help repossession might not be the best idea. . .

Have your attorney explain everything in detail, actually read the code provisions yourself, and ask a ton of questions, GOOD LUCK

 

" The State " can do what it damn well pleases. Dont like it ? Move, or sue us. Lets see; our assets/ resources vs yours.
Stuff like this scares the Bejesus out of me.
You will get a broader response ( good and bad ) if this topic were moved to Ferrari Discussion rather than Other Italian. Good Luck to you, unfortunatly you may need it.

 

That was fairly quick, glad to hear you recovered some money at least. A crappy situation all around though . Hope you enjoy your time in the states however!

 

No, you can`t get Maserati-Germany as their dealer then was a private person who had his compyny registered on his own name. If this dealership would have belonged to M. than you would have a chance.

Contact me off-line ([email protected]) and I set you in contact with someone who might be able to help you.

Ciao!
Walter

 

Don't overlook the prospect of suing the jailed scumbag whose debt it was taken to cover. He'll get out one day and will have a job and may have stashed money in his wife's cousin's refrigerator. In the US judgments like that are easily renewed for decades, though you have to roll the dice on enforcing. You'll be the winner in that one for sure, so you can add your presumably small legal fees on top of the balance you're owed. He'll likely default anyway. In some jurisdictions (Germany?) you can garnish wages, etc..

 

I just scanned though this so i appologise if this has been covered already but what about the guy that bought it? You have the title so can't you claim the car was stolen (i know thats the point of this thread but shouldn't the car be siezed then?)?

 

Noah,

I am so sorry that this ended this way but it does raise a couple of questions for me about this entire thread of law.

In one sense this appears to be nothing better than laundering in this case by a governmental entity. Although the government presumably wasn't aware at the time it is certainly not a triumph of individual over governmental rights. Yes I know you were compensated but not nearly enough.

I wonder if one's exotic car was stolen, sent overseas (in either direction),
obtained a valid title and then was sold "in good faith" would the result be the same?

Bob S.