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360 Mass air flow meter swap stock to Challenge Stradale

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  1. dbdreams

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    Has anyone swapped from stock 360 Modena air flow meter (#171707) to the Challenge Stradale (#181120) and if so how noticeable of a difference did it make in HP if any?
     
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  3. 24000rpm

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    plenty of people have done that. I personally can't feel any power difference. To do that, need to flash Ecu , by the way
     
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  4. sierra055

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    ^^
    And change your airbox lids or switch to using silicon couplers with hose clamps
     
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  5. dbdreams

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    I was told it should be good for 7-8 HP but I didn't know if this can be achieved by just changing the air flow meters or if there were other modifications involved. The Challenge Stradale air flow meters are about $300 each so not sure if it is worth it or not
     
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    normal people usually won't notice 10 HP out of 400 HP. I think I can't even notice 40HP. because that 10% bump would be only felt on high RPMs. And on high RPMs , my nerve is focusing on not crashing or skidding, not how much more power im getting.
     
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  8. dbdreams

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    I get your point, my car is in the shop now for a fresh head job, major service and I am considering adding Fabspeed headers, cat delete pipes, and valved exhaust so just thinking maybe I should go ahead and do the air flow meter upgrade as well. I doubt it would be noticed as well but if its there its gotta be helping I guess I need to decide whether its worth it or not.
     
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    totally up to you then.
    Personally, if it is not CS oem carbon air box, i won't do it. I think aftermarkets are all pretty ugly. Just my personal taste.

     
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  10. veilstylez

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    Can the air flow meter be just swapped out with a tune?
     
  11. dbdreams

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    Can the mod be done without swapping the air box? I thought I could just change the mass air meter themselves and use the existing stock 360 Mondena air box.
     
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  13. clean512

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    No because the CS style lids to the maf bolt on vs the 360 style use the clamp style.
     
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    no, they are of different diameter, so you'll have to modify the airboxes or replace them. And a flash of ecu to accommodate the larger diameter, or u'll get a cel.

     
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    yea. A tune = ecu flash

     
  16. veilstylez

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    Thank you for your reply.... so if you simply just swap them out you'll get CEL without a ecu flash.?

    I have the cs carbon airboxes and the cs sensor and haven't swapped them out yet.
     
  17. 24000rpm

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    correct. And a nasty drive. the engine runs, but very poorly after maybe 100 miles.


     
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  18. RANDY6005

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    You live in China wright ? Would it be very hard for you to really drive hard ?? At high speeds ? CS mirrors ad 20 more hp at 100 plus miles per hour.
     
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  20. veilstylez

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    Great to know. Thank you!
     
  21. 24000rpm

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    yea. I drive my CS and my Modena in China hard in high speed.
    I don't feel any difference in power.
    And I felt my Modena's sound is better than CS. weird ha?

     
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