Massa, Alonso, Hamilton, Raikkonen Season Comparison To Date

Alonso:
2 Wins, 1 Pole, 1 Fastest Race Laps

Hamilton:
0 Wins, 0 Pole, 1 Fastest Race Laps

Massa:
2 Wins, 3 Poles, 2 Fastest Race Laps

Raikkonen:
1 Win, 1 Pole, 1 Fastest Race Laps

Satistically, Massa has the advantage. If not for one bad race, he likely would not be 5 points behind in the championship.

 

How is it again that Lewis has the lead? Oh yeah, the F1 points system rewards people who don't win.

 

You are quite right. Seems like there should also be a reward for pole position, possibly fast lap.

(FYI: Alonso and Hamilton have the same 38 points, but Alonso has two wins which in theory puts him in the lead.)

 

I'm pretty sure that Bernie wants to rework the points after this season (prob because he's sure that Schumacher is now gone).

 

Exactly.

(note: It is not just coincidence that Ecclestone and c*cksucker have the same number of letters)

 

or "big dumb@$$" "F1 Destroyer" "In for money"

 

How about you wait til the end of the season to start your *****ing. It's only 5 races in. The only person who has been on podium every race is Lewis. If anyone else wants to be the current overall points leader (not tied with him) needs to podium almost everytime or they need to stop talking.

 

I was just saying a person without any wins should not be tied with a person with 2 wins.

 

Alonso:
P2
P1
P5
P3
P1

Hamilton:
P3
P2
P2
P2
P2

I like the system that rewards consistency. The only reason Hamilton doesn't have a win is that Fernando always has his way with pit strategy to give him his 2 W's.

 

Keywords = BEING CONSISTENT

Carol

 

Nothing wrong with the points system in my view. I am sure that you wouldn't be whingeing if the points system meant that Ferrari were in front. It is the same points system for all.

 

I still would be whining, because I still think it sucks. The difference between winning and 2nd place is huge, but the points system doesn't seem to agree.

 

Shouldn't winning be rewarded?

Should a champion be crowned just because of consistent 2nd and 3rd place finishes, no wins or just one or two? In other words, is being consistent without winning really the definition of a world champion?

 

Don't mess with the points - let's play by FIA GT rules and add weight handicaps to the placings too.

Carol

 

This has been a broken record since 2003. The very 1st season we saw the new pts system didnt work.

Schumie: 6wins, 1 ret, 93pts.
Kimi 1win, 3 ret 91pts.


F1 has been broken since 2003, bring back old pts system where winning means winning. Also bring back the old qualifying system where fastest of the day means fastest on the day.

 

That's a bit deceptive.

MS: 8 podiums (six 1st places, two 3rd places)
KR: 10 podiums (one 1st place, seven 2nd places, two 3rd places)

That's what kept it close. Plus, everytime Kimi scored points, it was from almost all the time finishing 4th and higher. MS had a couple 8th places, a 7th, etc.

Edit: With the old scoring system.

MS points paying finishes:
6 1st places (60 points)
2 3rd places (8 points)
2 4th places (6 points)
1 5th place (2 points)
1 6th place (1 point)

Total: 77 points

KR points paying finishes:
1 1st place (10 points)
7 2nd places (42 points)
2 3rd places (8 points)
2 4th places (6 points)
1 6th place (1 point)

Total: 67

Not really much a difference. Pretty much needed Kimi to not DNF those 3 times and collect a couple podiums and he would've won. And yes, that's with the OLD scoring system.

 

+1!

There should be points for pole and fasted lap. Also, if a driver pulls of the grand slam of race win, pole, and fastest lap, a nice points bonus should be added. I remember when they made second place 8 points to prevent a driver from running away with the championship so fast, but it is really getting annoying now. Lewis is a great driver, but he hasn't won a race, but he still leads the points. That is a problem indeed.

So, Bernie needs to hop on this situation instead of trying to slow the sport down even more. Meanwhile, Max Mosley just needs to keep quiet. That man does not have his head screwed on straight.

 

Not at Monaco he didn't ... he completely had Hamilton measure there, and IMO everywhere.

Alonso is no fool, he is racing the slowest races he can to save his machinery ... by the end of the season that will pay off.

Alonso IS faster than Hamilton and he proved it in the race last night, very clearly.
Pete

 

Did anyone notice that Hamilton clearly mentioned to consider himself the number two driver at McLaren in the Monaco post-race interviews? Quite significant statement (but no surprise to me really).

 

http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/070528104723.shtml

 

The definition of world champion is who ever has the most points. Rain shortened races count. Races that are almost over that have huge wrecks that will take 2 hours to clean up and are then canceled count. Stalled cars on the grid that others collide with count. People driving as fast as they can to get to the pit lane even though there's a full course caution waving count.

There could be a clause that you must win two GP's, that would stop the crying about nothing.

 

Why? I would find that odd. The polesitter gets a double reward that way:

The best starting slot and a point.

Points are given away according to race result. Qualifying is all about forming the starting grid. Let's keep it nice and simple.

 

I wonder if this season ends in a fight with Alonso vs Hamilton like last year's Alonso vs Schumi. I also wonder if Hamilton has instructions from his team to not overwin Alonso if he is in 1st and Hamilton in 2nd.


I like how Hamilton just came out of nowhere and gave the veterans a real run for their positions! I hope he wins the championship, he'll write history then. Allthough he drives VERY aggressive.

 

this is exactly the subject of an investigation in another thread in this forum.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=152433

 

I would think that the majority of race fans want a winner. The points at the end of the season name the champion, but I would think we want that champion to be a race winner. Right? When we look at statistics, the race win category is always brought up because it is important.

When NASCAR was faced with this very situation, I belive when Kenseth won the championship, they changed the entire point system to reward race winners in addition to consistency.

Other series reward the pole winner with a point, probably to prevent sandbagging, so that is an interesting idea.