Tin foil hats on!
Renault had Mclaren data and tech info for weeks on end, on discs IIRC and absolutely nothing was done about it. One rule for you, and another rule you, thats the way Mosley was, a truly vile man, so how anyone can make any real judgements is beyond me. The hearing on this matter took place in Monaco on 6 December 2007. The charge faced by Renault F1 breaching of article 151c of the Sporting Regulations was the same as that faced by McLaren earlier on in 2007 in the espionage controversy involving Ferrari & McLaren. The FIA found Renault F1 in breach of article 151c but did not penalise the team. Remind me, how much did Mclaren get fined..
It doesn't make any sense. Sorry. If they wanted to fix the title, why would they wait so long? Just have a couple retirements for both McLaren drivers with "hydraulic problems" at the start/mid point of the year. Raikkonen's Ferrari could have easily crashed or broke in China or Brazil, and LH or FA would have been champion. Why risk waiting so late in the game and chancing a McLaren victory if you're Mosley and want to fix the results? Plus you have McLaren *****ing about other teams' fuel after the end of the race. Also, look at Ron Dennis's reaction to Hamilton choking in China. True, unabated anger and frustration. That wasn't acting, sorry.
You have your years wrong. That was 2008. Also, was it Mosley's witch hunt against hamilton that got him lifted from a gravel trap with a crane and placed back on the track in 2007? (A first in Formula One history).
I have said it numerous times, think about it, Mosley hated Ron Dennis, Mosley had Ron Dennis by the balls, he could tell him to jump off the nearest cliff, IMO Bernie stopped him short of kicking Mclaren out of sport, because of the show, however it would not have been right for them to win the WDC would it, you know and I know Hamilton had that in the bag 2/3 races before the last race. Anyway Mosley got his, caught with his pants down, now one has to wonder who set that up.
100 million if i'm not mistaken...and i belive anothe 100mil to Ferrari to drop the lawsuit....i also belive the biggest paycheck came from mercedes, or at least half of it. I don´t give a **** if Renault was disqualified or not, Mclaren was and rigthly so. And yes, Mosley was an idiot, probably the biggest one ever to show his face in F.1, but as someone else said, what Mclaren did was far worse than What Toyota did and the penalty was a lot lighter, and what Renault did at Singapur was even worse. And the fact that everyone knows that race was rigged and stil consider it a valid race for the championship it´s the biggest shame in the history of F.1.
That was a strange one, Hamilton kept his engine running that's the only thing that was different to normal. Nothing to do with Mosley though.
Agree, Truth is Hamilton cut the chicane because he wanted (he did the same at Monza in 2007 when he deliberatly made contact with felipe at the first chicane, after he had lost position at the start, in order to cut the chicane and regained position. Hamilton put himself in a position where hae had to cut the chicane, and so (even ih he alowed Kimi by) he was in a much better position to overtake him at the end of the main straight..had he made the chicane behing Kimi, he wouldn´t have gained enough speed to pull the overtaking....he was well penalised.
No I don't man. LH fans really don't want to admit that he could have choked that badly but he did. Like I said, if they were really trying to fix it, they wouldn't have cut it as close as they did, IMO. There was no need for an "extra pitstop" in Brazil, just have him pull the car in the garage with "electrical issues" that way he surely wouldn't win the title. Or just not even left it to the last race and had both McLarens retire from events much earlier in the year so there was no way either driver would win the WDC. And again, Ron Dennis...China...if that was acting he needs an academy award.
It's the principle of it, you cannot fine a team 100 mil, a ridiculous amount anyway, and then let off another team with a slapped wrist for the exact same offence.
IIRC, it wasn't the "exact same offense". Yes, they were found to be in possession of some Renault engineering details. But, possession wasn't what got Mclaren, it was the lying, attempt to cover up and denial that they'd done anything with the information - *That* was what got them hung. Renault OTOH "proved" they'd never "used" any of the information, either on the car or during it's development. Wasn't the $100MM fine subsequently substantially reduced? Memory is failing, but I seem to remember only a pretty small fraction was actually paid (?) FWIW, while I agree with Krafty that Mosley is indeed an evil cretin, I'm not buying any conspiracy theories either - Just the way it unfolded. Cheers, Ian Cheers, Ian
As Jean Todt said back then: "everything would have been forgiven with an apology. But now it´s too late". Although Todt probably meant "everything would have been forgiven with an apology and a big check".
So back on topic since I didn't bother reading through all that mess. Is Massa staying with the team?
We still don't know. A member here said he is and everyone is taking it as gospel. But at this point nothing concrete has been announced.
Don't be shy. Do tell. I've not presented it as fact, I simply repeated what I've been told by someone who works for Ferrari, F1 dept. I have no material fact, and as such asked if anybody else heard the same thing as I did. Simple. For the record, I quite like Massa, but don't watch, and follow F1 as much as many on here. I'd be happy if what I am told is true. Let's see...
