Massa to file legal action on 2008 title?

It really doesn't matter how it ends, Elton's 2008 title has got the exact same value as if Mosley decided to give the trophy to nelsinho Piquet, ZERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Massa won and everyone knows it, if The FIA recognizes it or not is of no consequence.
I also don't believe anything will happen, but at least it will piss Elton and his minions!
Go Felipe!!!!

 

Of course AQlonso knew, that much is obvious to a brailess chicken! I say 50% chance it was his idea in the first place! Or does anyone believe that a driver like Alonso would enter the pits so soon, doing a strategy that would be a complete suicide had his team mate not crashed the lap after?

 

As i wrote earlier ... the asterisk connected to the 2008 championship just keeps getting bigger and bigger

 

The FIA knew about it after the event, not before, and not before the 2 hour window to challange the race result, but after a while, and no one made a complaint at the end of the season before the awards, so the results of the season are final, as written in the regulations, Just like 2021.

 

Not as big as 2021's title, Or 22, Both titles decided by broken regulations.

 

Exact.
There are rules and dealines to challenge race results.

 

Yeah exactly, Its also highly unlikely a race will be invalidated by 1 teams actions when the FIA wouldnt do it when the race director does it. Its just wishfull thinking, the only punishments listed in the regulations all result in LH winning by more points.

 

There is no statute of limitations for murder or rape (over here)

 

I just love the comparisons to 2021 ...

Remember when the Hamilton fanboys hung-on to their last-hope argument: 2021 had to be unfair, otherwise why would Masi have been fired? Poor fans ... it was all they had left, after the final FIA report Until it was recently verified (by the head of the FIA) that Masi actually quit (as many of us knew, all along).

Then there's that pesky little problem that if you remove the scandalous race in 2008, Hamilton LOSES the 2008 title ... but if you remove the controversial race in 2021, Verstappen KEEPS the 2021 title (already mentioned several times in this thread).

YEP, based on recent news ... the 2008 asterisk gets BIGGER, while the 2021 asterisk has EVAPORATED

 

sure, sure, that really validates his fake title, as i said, i don't know the FIA to tell me who won it, i saw it!

 

2021 only exists on elton deluded fanboys, they forget that the only reason he was figting for the title was because he and his team mate punted Max twice out of the race! If rules were aplied evenly to everyone on track, max would have won it long before....

 

Your missing the point, No one asked for the race to be removed, but for the race to finish under what should have been a safety car finish, The FIA report its self said so, and by the time the awards started, all knew nothing was going to be done, as the results cant be changed post awards, its funny you bring up the comparison to 2021, knowing what happened, and that nothing can be changed post awards, your here saying a race should be invalidated even though its post 15 years since the awards is hilarious.

 

Im up for Alonso and Renault being dq'ed, go for it, it dont invalidate LH's title though, thats like comparing apples and oranges. how in any way was any body other than Renault at fault for Renaults actions.

#Facepalm.

 

It must be true if you say so ...

 

I think you misunderstood my point (once again) ...

It was the head of the FIA who recently verified that Masi quit (instead of being fired) ... not me
It was Ecclestone who recently claimed that the FIA knew, in 2008, that all Singapore points should be erased ... not me

It's not "my" recent statements that are making the 2008 asterisk grow bigger, while the 2021 asterisk disappears.

But thanks for playing!

 

Your problem is that you tend to take opinions as facts.
I am quite confident that the FIA will overturn neither the result of the 2008 championship, nor the one for 2021.
Therefore asterisks will exist only in some people's minds.
In any case, I will not lose sleep over those issues.

 

Well, MBS was Masi's boss ... so i'll take his "opinion" about Masi quitting over the so-called "facts" posted by Hamilton fans any day. You are, of course, free to believe any version of "facts" you wish! And you are certainly welcome to entirely ignore Ecclestone's recent statements about the 2008 championship, as well!

You may also continue to ignore this "matter of opinion" (as you apparently see it): If we eliminate all points from Singapore 2008, Hamilton LOSES the 2008 title ... but if we eliminate all points from Abu Dhabi 2021, Verstappen KEEPS the 2021 title. I know, I know ... that's just another "opinion"

Wait a sec ... are we sure that I'm the one, confusing "facts" with "opinions" ??

No matter. I won't be losing any sleep, either. In fact, lately i've been going to sleep smiling

 

Yes, what you keep spreading are just opinions.
I don't care how Massi went: he isn't there anymore.
I don't care what rumour Bernie is now spewing: he has no power anymore.
I don't care if Massa is still sore because he thinks he has been cheated from a title; he should get over it by now.
Same for Hamilton's fans who refuse to accept that Max is 2021 WDC.
Yes, I jgnore opinions, and I am not influenced by whoever comes out of the woodwork to start new polemics.
I am just interested in the racing, not the gossips.

 

Just to be clear:

IF we subtract all Singapore points from the 2008 total, Hamilton loses the 2008 title. IF we subtract all Abu Dhabi points from the 2021 total, Verstappen keeps the 2021 title.
You call these statements "opinions".

MBS (head of FIA, Masi's boss) recently verified, to the world press, that Masi wasn't fired ... but instead, Masi quit after 2021.
You call this, just another "opinion".

Ecclestone recently stated that the FIA, in discussions that he was party to in 2008, knew that all Singapore 2008 points should have been erased.
Just another "opinion".

You dismiss ALL of this, because they are just "opinions" ... no more valid, i suppose, than any random opinion on Fchat


Yeah ... you'll forgive me if i step away from our little discussion now

 

GAAT WDC 2021

 

Look, the biggest thing in Felipe's case is that there is a huge precedent to this within the FIA. More precisely the 1986 San Remo rally. Peugeot were disqualifyed from the rally wich was won by Allen in a lancia. The reasons to disqualify the Peugeot's were bogus, and they apealed. Markku Alen became world champion after the last rally of the season, the Olympus rally, and 11 days after that, it was decided to exclude san Remo from the championship, and so Peugeot and Juha Kankkunen became world champions!
It can't get any better than this!

 

True indeed.
Then,
Just imagine World cycling federation admitting they knew Armstrong was doped and did nothing.
Bernie is opening a big big « Pandora’s box ».

 

Two totally different cases !!

In San Remo, the organisers excluded the Peugeot team on an alleged technical infringement.
Their mistake was not to have allowed Peugeot to continue to race under appeal, as stated by the sporting rules.
Marku Alen was leading the championship after the Olympus Rally.
The FIA cancelled the San Remo Rally from the championship before the champion was officially declared.

In Singapore, there was no appeal after the race, and the WDC was declared at the end of the year without any contestation.
The Crashgate came to light only the following year, by which time it was too late to change the results.
Now people get excited because Massa could decide to contest the 2008 championship, 15 years later. Good luck to that !

I hope you can see the different time scales.

 

The big mistake of the World Cycling Federation and the Tour de France organisers was that they decided not to give the wins to the riders who came second during the years Armstrong was excluded. Maybe they did that on purpose, I don't know.
If you look at the Tour de France winners list, you see a 7-year gap and the mention "Not Attributed" next to it, as if these races never took place.
IMO, that's a great injustice to those who competed during that time, and were cheared of a win by Armstrong.

 

Fully agree.