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  1. Tcar

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    #26 Tcar, Mar 29, 2018
    Tail Fins is good... often called that... it's a vertical stabilizer..

    I heard a news reporter call it the 'wing that sticks up'.... :)
     
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    #27 NeuroBeaker, Mar 29, 2018
    This looked like an interesting personal jet. What is it? The wings look like they're holding extended range fuel tanks.

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    #28 Bob Parks, Mar 29, 2018
    North American?
     
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    Lockheed Jetstar 4 engines.
    I think they all had the wing tanks.

    Elvis had one...
     
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    #31 Tcar, Mar 29, 2018
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    The blue on white plane with Mexican registration (XC-XXX) is the later version, as is the one in the boneyard. Longer tanks that extend behind the wing and mostly above the wing. Also has larger engines.

    Also, the entire vertical stabilizer is trimmable (the bare metal angled strip near the bottom of the vertical stabilizer), it pivots L and R there.

    Also, it was the first real Business Jet... late 50's.
     
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    That could be the North American Sabreliner you're thinking of.
    Close, and just a couple years after the Jetstar. Only 2 engines, slightly smaller.

    Named 'Sabreliner' as NA used virtually the same wings, tail and main gear from their F-86 Sabre.

    North American did things like that... the first Sabre prototypes and the Navy Fury had the straight wings and tail from their P-51 Mustang...
     
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    #33 Gatorrari, Mar 29, 2018
    In fact the Sabre mockup had a much slimmer fuselage than the FJ-1 Fury and would have been much better looking, but swept wings became the way to go. The original T-28 design also had a lot of P-51 in it.

    As for the JetStar, the Air Force used it as the C-140, and the Presidential squadron even had six that could be used as "Air Force One", and 5 Presidents used them that way. Of course, it was also the type in which "Goldfinger" met his demise, sucked out a window after depressurization.
     
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    #34 Bisonte, Mar 29, 2018
    I went for a ride in Aluminum Overcast about ten years ago. She's an amazing machine.

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    #35 ChipG, Mar 29, 2018
    I have been to Dodson several times, last time was about 10 years ago when I was looking for a Bell Jet Ranger Turbine (Allison 250 C20) and I have never seen so much over priced crap, it's not a place to score a deal, I'll tell you that!!
     
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    #36 Bob Parks, Mar 29, 2018
    For a 1935 design, the B-17 did an amazing thing during WW2. It was terribly over-designed and that lead to it's incredible strength. The E,F,and G were expressions of honest art, "form follows function", and they performed with distinction. The airframe carried the earlier 1930's Warren Truss structure in the wing spars and then the newer stressed skin structures in the fuselage and empennage. It was the only airplane that I saw that had the combination of the old English measuring system, 1/32nd, 1/4 etc, in everything but the E model tail section that was dimensioned in the decimal system. The old drawings are a kick to look at. The wing spars and ribs with normal skins would have taken the loads but the inter- spar skins were doubled up with a corrugated inner skin and a strong outer skin over it. The first composite material design, maybe. It took big holes in it and kept on ticking as did the rest of the airplane.
     
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    #37 Bob Parks, Mar 29, 2018
    The term, " Aluminum Overcast' was first given to the B-36.
     
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    Aluminum Overcast is a B-17G-VE, and that all makes sense; she felt super-solid in flight.

    More about her from the EAA site:

    EAA’s B-17G-VE, serial number 44-85740 - nicknamed Aluminum Overcast – was delivered to the U.S. Army Air Corps on May 18, 1945. Although delivered too late to see action in World War II, the airplane has an interesting history.

    First Owner
    Purchased as surplus from the military inventory for a mere $750 in 1946, the airplane has flown more than 1 million miles. It has served as a cargo hauler, an aerial mapping platform and in pest control and forest dusting applications.

    Return to Military Roots
    The airplane's return to its military roots began in 1978, when it was purchased by a group of investors who wished to preserve the heritage of the magnificent B-17. The group, "B-17s Around the World," was headed by Dr. Bill Harrison. Their goal was to return the B-17 to its former glory.

    Donation to EAA
    The economic reality of simply maintaining a vintage bomber, let alone the cost of restoration, prompted the group to donate the B-17 to EAA in 1983. Since that time, an extensive program of restoration and preservation was undertaken to ensure Aluminum Overcast would be a living reminder of World War II aviation for many years to come. The restoration has taken more than 10 years and thousands of hours by dedicated staff and volunteers at EAA’s headquarters in Oshkosh, Wisconsin.

    Aluminum Overcast proudly carries the colors of the 398th Bomb Group of World War II, which flew hundreds of missions over Nazi-held territory during the war. Aluminum Overcast commemorates B-17G #42-102516 which was shot down on its 34th combat mission over Le Manior, France, on August 13, 1944. Veterans of the 398th helped finance the bomber's restoration.

    https://www.eaa.org/en/eaa/flight-experiences/aluminum-overcast-eaa-b-17-bomber-tour/b-17-history-with-boeing-and-eaa
     
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    #39 Gatorrari, Mar 30, 2018
    And the "VE" meant that she was actually built by Lockheed, specifically by their Vega division, also located in Burbank. The well-known B-17G "Chuckie" is also a Vega-built aircraft.
     
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