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Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by simonc, Jul 7, 2014.

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  1. simonc

    simonc Formula Junior

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    #1 simonc, Jul 7, 2014
    I have asked in the 246 section a number of times and not really received a good response so I thought I would try here as I guess that this is a problem that you face a lot more often. I am painting a 73 246GT and it is going to be Azzurro Metallizzato (106-A-32). How or where do I buy paint that will match this original colour and should I spray it using solvent based paint or something more modern. I am not a paint guy and am lost as to how to do this. My paintshop have done spray outs in colours which are close but they are not the right colour based upon a) pictures of other cars I have seen in this colour and b) the cars present paint colour. It is light metallic blue at the moment but has been repainted so I am not sure if the paint on the car is the exact shade.

    All advise is welcome.
     
  2. hoverland

    hoverland Formula Junior

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    #2 hoverland, Jul 11, 2014
    Hi Simon

    I've used a lot of energy to find original 70's color for my car, and that is not at all straightforward. Maybe my experiences can be of help for you.
    Not sure about Azzurro, but I know there is a significant difference in Marrone from before 1980 and Marrone after 1980.

    Trouble starts with the fact that paintname/code (Azzurro Metallizzato 106-A-32) from before 1980 (when Glasurit started supplying Ferrari) does not contain or link to an exact "recipie" a paintshop can use, no paintsupplier I have talked to have specific data for original color from before 1980. (They were all "big-mouth's" but all eventually failed to deliver.)
    Adding to this all different paintsuppliers PPG, DeBeers, Glasurit, Sikkens/Lesonal.......... have their own proprietary mixing systems using different mixingcolors.

    Anyway you need to find a sample of what you know (or rather believe) is correct, either a original paint-swatch or a car known to be correct. Then a good paintshop have equipment to analyze and recreate that color -in practice you need a flat area of approximate businesscard size to do this.

    The color I found inside doors and some other places were not suitable for sampling -but I was so happy to find perfect "as new" original paint with clearcoat in windowframe when removing rear window. Area beeing to small for the analyzer to fit, we needed to use the big sample book with thousands of colors and compare one by one until we found the correct that matched the frame.
    I got my paint in the old hazardous materials -just to be as close as possible to original materials/methodes, but my paintsupplier claims to be able to create same color in the modern waterbased stuff as well.

    Good luck in finding the original color -time spent in getting it as correct as possible will make your car outstanding.

    H
     
  3. 635CSI

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    #3 635CSI, Jul 11, 2014
    I'm suprised Paul Baber hasn't got onto this thread yet.
    His views on paint are uncompromising and (inconveniently) I have come to believe absolutely correct.
     
  4. simonc

    simonc Formula Junior

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    #4 simonc, Jul 11, 2014
    Thanks Harald, as you say it is very hard. My car was originally Rosso Corsa when new and was painted in light metallic blue in the late 80s/early 90s but one of the problems is that I am not 100% sure it is the correct shade for Azzurro Metallizzato, although if I compare the colour with photos of Azzurro Metallizzatto cars it is very, very close. This means I started out thinking it would be easy make the paint using the original colour codes. PPG did some research for me and gave me a formula but then the PPG agents in the UK said that they could no longer get the pigments required. I then found a paint supplier who had a formula on their computer but when they tried to mix it they also had trouble finding the pigments. However these guys were great and kept on searching and eventually managed to source the pigments from various different colleagues but when they mixed it it was too dark. So I am still looking ........
     
  5. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    #5 BigTex, Jul 12, 2014
    I have some areas in the door jambs of my #22641 that are unfaded, original paint.
    I'm unsure how to get a scan of data to you, but asking PPG is the wrong brand.

    For our 308s or your Dino the correct manufacturer is Glidden Salchi (sp?)...any way, the modern survivor is the company Glidden.

    As to the materials, we can no longer spray an entire car legally with the lacquer systems.
    But the law is based upon quantity applied, I could paint part of the car every night, one panel at a time, as silly as that sounds, or...you know....."move to the outskirts of town"..as Albert King once said.

    In theory, you COULD get the same color in a modern legal water base two part clear coat system, and that would be a higher sheen too at the end of the day. But, there's "that crowd" of vintage enthusiasts that would say you "got it wrong"...

    See my profile for the color you are looking for, I'd be glad to find a Glidden dealer in Texas if a scan there could be sent over to a dealer where you are..
     

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