Mateschitz interview: Kimi to RB?

Kimi could be comfortable with any team today, including Ferrari, due to the testing ban. Today you show up on a race weekend and drive....Ferrari wanted Kimi to work like MS did and Kimi HATED it.

 

I can pretty much agree with that. Kimi doesn't have the focus and precision of Vettel. Still, he would give Vettel a run every now and again.

 

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I agree. I also think people underestimate Webber. Webber certainly isn't a bad driver, he's great. Vettel is just in another league.


Mark

 

Exactly right IMO

 

And you think the pro-Vettel camp is the minority? lol, you're one confused lemming because to my knowledge, the folks on here have been in support of Vettel in majority.

 

Good thing f-chat isn't the planet then. Vettel's position among 'the people' has taken a massive hit.

 

It is worldwide in regards to the Malaysia incident where polls put the pro Vettel support to about 38% with the majority going the other direction.

On this site the majority used to support Vettel before Malaysia. Based on the 4 different threads where everybody and his dog joins the bashing fest I would say that is no longer the case.

My comments were about the current situation (hence the word current in my original post) not how it was before.

 

Well, I do remember the day I said something negative about Vettel (many many months before the incident)...the lemmings pounced on me and tore me to shreds. I guess the mob is fickle...

 

I hope I was first in line.

Certainly around here.

 

Next week nobody will remember that . Webber did the same thing not long ago, but just wasn't successful. No world champion is going to be a lamb. But Vettel looks like one compared to Schumacher or Alonso IMO. He knows what he has to do to win, but doesn't enjoy that sometimes; it's not his personality, and you can clearly see how uncomfortable he was. Or the lousy apology; but at least he apologized. That makes him less of a **** than other drivers IMO. Good evening folks.

 

Where was all this fake outrage (aside from on here) when Alonso punted Massa out of the way in the pit lane in China? How long did that furor last? This will blow over just the same. I give it a couple of weeks.


Mark

 

Agreed on every single point.

 

I don't think Kimi would even be thinking about 2014 yet, he's won the first race, the car is competitive and fast. There's a long way to go and Kimi is only 9 point behind Vettel with 2 races gone. Also before the start of last season Kimi said that Lotus feels more like a family team than Ferrari ever did for him at least, this I think is likely to do with the size and expectations of the team. If he went to RB it is possible that he would get the same feeling he felt when at Ferrari, only this time it would be someone else's family...... Vettel's.

 

Perhaps you're right, but I cannot recall any driver ever receiving such scathing requests from the pit wall to cut out whatever it is they're doing yet completely ignoring said request. being advised against doing something is one thing, publicly ignoring and then lying about 'not knowing' is a whole other issue.

 

While I'm firmly on the "he ****ed up more than he ever imagined" side of this debate, there is an argument that he wasn't explicitly told not to do it.... From memory;

CH: "Ahh, Seb, come on this is silly"

is a long way from Ross' order;

Ross; "Negative Nico, hold position."

That's the egregious part to me too.

Cheers,
Ian

 

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Agreed. Seb is at a whole other level with this. Not even Senna throwing Prost out in turn 1 equals this as yes, Senna should not have done it, but it was the WDC on the line there. Vettel just had to sit tight and take second place, further raising his WDC points status, hold onto what little relationship and respect his teammate has for him, and it is only the 2nd race of the season for crying out loud. it's disgusting on a whole other level of unsportsmanlike conduct. And adding insult to injury, he plays dumb. Come on really?

 

That might have also something to do with the fact that radio transmissions haven't been around for that long and that only recently have they been made available to the audience.

I bet much harsher words have been said in the history of the sport (or would have been said if they had a way to communicate with the driver). Some examples have already been mentioned here (Pironi, Reuteman).

 

I couldn't disagree more with this.

The Senna/Prost accidents are on an entirely different level. In fact the FIA/FISA saw it the same: They didn't penalize Vettel or RB but they came down hard on Senna. He had to travel to Paris to apologize to Balabala in order to keep his superlicense.

Me thinks your dislike for Vettel grows proportionally with him approaching/eclipsing the records of MS.

 

Fair enough.

I disagree with your disagreement however..... The last race of the season, title on the line is a *lot* different to race 2 of 19. Yes, Aytron was wrong but I'm pretty sure he didn't even feel that way at the time - He himself said he felt it was his God given right to win, and that's what he tried to do.

Eclipsing!

Is it still April 1st?.....

He's not even in the same ball park yet! He needs *another* five titles before eclipsing anything. And despite the past few years, we know how many guys have even bagged 5 titles, let alone 8......

Cheers,
Ian

 

Like I've said before..Vettel needs to win 5 races a year for 15 more years to Eclipse what MS achieved. Puts it into perspective.

 

This was the part that got me. He was out on the track weaving, flashing the finger, etc. until he realized that Webbo wasn't going to keep quiet and everyone knew what was going on. He then became much more "muted."

 

I had zero problem with Vettel prior to this, if anything I liked him as much as I liked any current driver. Quick, determined, sharp, fair, and he came from Kerpen! What's not to like. My people, German. Is Vettel the absolutely best driver on the grid? No idea yet, he has had the quickest car since he left Toro Rosso.

Senna potentially endangered his and another driver's life, it wasn't right but the title was at hand. Vettel cannot make such claim it was a win vs. a second place for a race that doesn't matter much yet. Let's not get into the politics and the golden status Prost enjoyed and regularly tapped with the FiA into as fellow Frenchman. Please don't pretend such things did not exist, especially considering the beauracratic title Prost obtained the year prior, would they have done the same for Senna?? haha, no. Did every driver in the paddock call the FiA out on what they did to Senna? Most certainly.


I actually believe the opposite is true with your defense for Vettel, it grows greater as he reaches Michael's level of success. Yet according to a Crash.net survey, 82% believe what Vettel pulled was flat wrong not to mention the number of former world champions and former drivers and current drivers who are throwing Vettel under the bus for this one. It was cheap, petty, and pointless. Who in recent memory has angered their teammate and team in such a grandious fashion that arguably the nicest guy on the grid would flick him off on national television?

There's racing, and then there's taking advantage of a situation then playing dumb. That's what many attorney's do and they certainly have a deserved reputation from such behavior. It only takes one time.

 

Beside, Red Bull seems to be a team with internal politics, which Kimi already experienced at Ferrari. I don't think he is keen to renew with that!

Also, the question remains as what would Red Bull asks its drivers in terms of PR and extra duties apart from racing. Kimi isn't really a chap who likes to entertain sponsors, is he?