Max Verstappen

Just because you are jerk doesn't mean you can't have friends . Charles needs a shrink , he whines and mopes all the time and puts himself down repeatedly , he is a great talent , needs to toughen up mentally and be more of a selfish jerk.

 

I don't think max is Jesus or something like that, and I do think he has some arrogance about him especially towards journos that ask dumb questions or the same one over and over again, but I don't think he's a prick. When you see him away from the camera he's the one that gets on with most drivers very well, ex team mates who he totally destroyed, career ending...even they can't seem to have a bad word to say about him.

He's very frank and to the point, but to me that's just brute honesty rather than the usual PR robot that was very evident in the last 15 years. The newest generation still of course is very much PR trained but they seem to open up being themselves more.

 

Trust me , he is a prick . He is brutally honest which is refreshing and things are going well for him at the present , his attitude would be quite different if he was getting smoked . The hard times bring up the real character in people . I haven't met any of the current drivers with the exception of Lewis and Alonso . Lewis was very young and he was Meh . Alonso was in his prime and he acted like god , just as ******* as Montoya .

 

F1 - Looking at the time Max Verstappen spent with RedBull . In all the races, when he finished, he never finished lower than 11th (Belgium, 2016). The 15th, 18th & 19th were a DNF but classified. 39 wins, 83 podiums, 120 top10-finishes.

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39 wins for Max. The most ever for RedBull.

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Another nice stat i read about yesterday: max led more than 50% of all laps driven since the start of season '21

 

You just know that the pessimists are going to say he wasn’t leading less than half the time

 

CanadianGP 2023 Max reaches 41......with more to come.

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I see you guys like and respect stats again, now that Max is winning.

 

Yep, I keep saying stats don't lie, there are the exact references and all that rest many years later.
In the case of Max, he is on a cloud at the moment, and no one can touch him.
With the high number of GPs on the calendar, and his dominance, he will soon catch up previous records, IMO.
It all depends how long Red Bull will keep on giving him such a superior car, but Prost and Vettel's records are already in his sight !.

 

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Ascari’s record is astonishing, especially considering the era in which he raced…far more dangerous, cars much less reliable. I wonder if there’s a chart for “percentage of laps led, career.”

 

Ascari benefited from exceptional circumstances in 1952. The championship was run in F2 (not F1), with 2L 4cyl engines.
Ferrari was the only team prepared for it. Alfa Romeo had left GP, and the only opposition was a weak Gordini and private British teams.
Ascari was by far the fastest at Ferrari, against ageing team mates (Farina and Taruffi). But mostly the previous year WDC, Fangio didn't participate that season, nursing an injury. Thus, Ascari dominated completely and won all the races bar one (6 in total).
It was a different story in 1953: Fangio was back. Ascari still won, but now has some opposition.

 

Great perspective. Thanks.

It’s more evidence that “the greatest of all time” is not possible to identify in F1, no matter what the Hammyfans insist. The circumstances across the decades are too complex to ever identify a single greatest driver. Because of that, statistics are virtually useless in determining a necessarily subjective conclusion.

 

I always maintained that. You can only compare drivers season by season, not over the whole F1 period.
It must be the same for other sports, but it's definirely true for mechanical sports.
Stats are only an indication on a yearly basis, but even then, they need to be interpreted.

 

Max will win a ton of races and will be regarded as one of the truly greats . No denying his talent and his driving style has matured , rarely sets a foot wrong these days .

 

He will be considered the most talented of his era, I’m sure, regardless of how many championships others have won.

 

Don't worry. Let Max win 3 more WDC's and it will be:
"Anyone could win in the Red Bull"
"Put him in a mid pack car and see how good he is"
Etc...

It's sad folks can't just appreciate brilliance and be happy they witnessed it. People like winners but don't you winners do TOO MUCH winning...because then folks, that have never accomplished anything in their lives, will turn on you like a pack of rabid dogs.

 

Wrong - I still have the same negative opinion of stats. Statistics are not to be trusted, they seem to be objective and therefore trustworthy, but they are not.

 

Exactly. Stats only tell part of the story.

 

I can't tell. Seems like people here are going crazy and having a stat party for Max now.

 

The context of no competition overall for the last season and this one. Greatest at not being bothered after turn 1 lol. Applies to many 'dominant' eras lately. I like Max he is better but thats only saying he is not being bothered. When he was bothered or not at ease overall, he made mistakes and drove aggressively and poorly as well. He is a human being. Just like the rest of us.

 

Just so everybody is in agreement here, to be considered a all time great:
Driving more physical challenging/ mechanical cars in the past is not required.
Building a team is not required.
Not loosing to a team mate is not required.
Winning with two different teams is not required.
Winning in a midfield car is not required.
Car developement skills not required( its said here that technically its 90% car not driver)
Having more competition is not required (it was said here that their is less competion today)
Because Max has done none of the above.

I always said all a driver can do is dominate in his era, which Hamilton has done and Max may do. But many here didn't align with that when Hamilton was winning.