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Max wants confirmation by close of business 9 June!

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  1. jknight

    jknight F1 Veteran

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    #1 jknight, Jun 8, 2009
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    Max is got to be the ultimate in demanding things his way..... damn control freak!!!


    from Autosport and others:

    Mosley: FOTA should enter to shape F1


    FIA president Max Mosley has written to the eight remaining Formula One Teams' Association members urging them to enter next year's championship unconditionally so they can help shape the rules they want, AUTOSPORT can reveal.

    After a weekend of high tension at the Turkish Grand Prix ahead of the publication on Friday of the 2010 entry list, Mosley's much-awaited response to the eight FOTA teams appeared conciliatory.

    Mosley claimed that the best way the teams could help mould the future of the sport the way they wanted would be to drop the conditions attached to the entries they had made to the 2010 championship.

    In fact, he reckoned it would be 'simple' to find a solution to FOTA's concerns about new rules if all the teams lodged unconditional entries and signed up for a budget cap - before helping create new regulations.

    In the letter sent to Ferrari, McLaren, BMW Sauber, Renault, Red Bull Racing, Toro Rosso, Toyota and Brawn, Mosley said that he wanted to sit down with all the 2010 teams later this month to begin discussions about framing such rules.

    To do that, he therefore wanted the FOTA members to confirm by tomorrow that they wanted to compete in 2010 so he could press ahead with his plans.

    "Under the International Sporting Code (Art. 66) we cannot now change the published 2010 rules unless we have the consent of all the competitors who have entered," wrote Mosley in the letter, a copy of which has been seen by AUTOSPORT. "However once we have a list of confirmed entries, we can make changes provided we have the necessary unanimous agreement.

    "You therefore have the option of participating in this process as a confirmed entrant, or not. In order to participate, you should now write to us confirming that your entry is unconditional.

    "It is of course up to you, but the simplest way to ensure that all entrants run under the same rules would be if everyone entered under the cost-cap rules as published and then all entrants cooperated to agree modifications to those rules which would make the proposition workable for all parties."

    The FIA is due to announce its 2010 F1 entry list on Friday, with Williams and Force India having already lodged unconditional entries - and at least 10 other new teams vying for a spot.

    Mosley made it clear to FOTA's members that any rule changes had to be made in cooperation with any new outfits who made it onto the grid.

    "We plan to arrange a meeting of all the confirmed 2010 teams immediately after 12 June in order to discuss the cost saving measures that have been proposed by the 2009 FOTA teams," he explained.

    "We have already canvassed the views of some of the likely new entrants regarding the proposed measures and the feedback is broadly positive so a solution should be relatively simple to achieve.

    "To this end, if you do intend to enter, it would be helpful if you would let us have drafts of the precise rules you wish adopted, as much of the Enclosure 3 submitted by FOTA on behalf of the 2009 teams is currently in the form of minutes and statements of intent rather than the clear rules which you [and we] seek.

    "We look forward to a positive response. It would be helpful to have this no later than close of business on Tuesday 9 June."

    As part of the conditions of the team's entries to next year's championship, FOTA had demanded that a new Concorde Agreement be signed by June 11 - just 24 hours before the entry list is lodged.

    Mosley has made it clear that such a scenario is impossible - especially because it will be necessary for all the 2010 teams to sign such an agreement.

    "As explained at both our recent meetings, the FIA is willing to enter into a Concorde Agreement dealing with all questions of governance and rule stability along the traditional lines first established in 1981," Mosley continued in his letter.

    "The Agreement was renewed in 1998 to the satisfaction of all currently competing teams and renewed again in 2005 by us to the satisfaction of Ferrari and, we understand, by FOM to the satisfaction of a number of teams including Williams.

    "We are ready to begin discussions immediately with a view to signing an agreement without delay. However, there is no possibility of this being concluded in advance of settling the 2010 entry list, a draft of several hundred pages having been produced at the last moment.

    "Also, the FIA will need to know who to discuss the draft with. There will certainly be new teams in 2010 and it presently seems unlikely that all of the 2009 teams will participate in 2010. Obviously the draft should be discussed between those that will participate only."


    Carol
     
  2. pbfoot

    pbfoot Karting

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    So if he's willing to work with the teams on the rules why is he wanting them to submit an unconditional entry? If it were me I'd be very wary, he isn't necessarily the most honest guy around...
     
  3. jknight

    jknight F1 Veteran

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    my first thought was he's trying to get them by the short hairs and I wouldn't trust him any further than I could throw him on this one......"guppy" comes to mind.

    Carol
     
  4. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Total and utter BS IMO,^:mad: The problem is the rules and the way sport is governed, the teams want to stay in F1 right!!

    Max wants the FOTA to TRUST HIM!!, if they sign up under "his rules", he may just tweak them. I hope they tell him to go forth in jerky movements.

    Max this is simple, The FOTA have stated "that next year's regulations are scrapped if they are to commit their future to the sport"

    Now re read it comphrend it, and come back when you have agreed, or better still don't.
     
  5. Simon^2

    Simon^2 F1 World Champ

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    I honestly believe MaXXX Motley is suffering from Neurosyphilis...
     
  6. R2112

    R2112 Formula 3

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    I think Max thinks FOTA are as dumb as he is. :D

    Is it me or does Max seem to be getting more desperate every day?
     
  7. RP

    RP F1 World Champ

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    #7 RP, Jun 8, 2009
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    Clint, I don't read desperation, I read arrogance.

    Anyway, a question for those who have memorized the FIA rules. Let's say a FOTA team agrees to place its entry unconditionally as required by Mosley. And then there are meetings all throughout the summer on the new rules. And let's say this team decides it can not abide by the new rules, and then says in September, "due to corporate policy changes and economic considerations, we have decided it is necessary to leave F1".

    What would be the penalty to this team other than the legal problems due to the violation of a contract? Considering it is thought that Ferrari already has a contract with the FIA, what would they have to lose by doing this? If they don't enter now, they will be taken to court, if they leave later, they will be taken to court.

    Is Ferrari's veto power still if force??** If they still have a contract with the FIA, this veto power should still be effective, right? So..........

    The only way Ferrari can excercise this veto is by returning to the FIA. Doesn't that mean that Ferrari can keep voicing a veto until its too late to change the rules?


    ** I just read a statement from the FIA confirming that there stillis a contract with Ferrari, and that includes the veto authority.
     
  8. Nick R

    Nick R Formula Junior

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    Agreed. Under the heading of careful what you wish for, perhaps Max and Bernie have bit off a bit more than they can chew. I only hope the dont ruin F1 in their lust and greed for money and control.
     
  9. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    And you wonder why people distrust lawyers.
     
  10. kirill

    kirill Formula Junior

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    Max wants to keep Friday open for sex party ?
     
  11. Edwinproxp

    Edwinproxp Karting

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    After all I believe FIA should be eliminated and let FOTA to do the job! And actually it does make perfect sense. This way they can ensure a fair competition rules and regulations!
     
  12. frefan

    frefan F1 Veteran

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    Is somebody worried about decreasing attendance and hoping their house of cards doesn't come crashing down ?
     
  13. Jack-the-lad

    Jack-the-lad Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Well, the BeMax Follies deadline has come and gone and all I hear is the chirping of crickets....
     
  14. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Max is very mis-leading. The reason teams don't wanna start development on next years car is because, no one seems to know whats the regulations like. Max wants the teams to 'help shape up the rules' but at the same time, that greedy bastard is shooting down every proposal, and saying that they are not important in the sport. I really hope this @$$hole get the hell outta F1 before he single handedly destroys it!
     
  15. Forexpreneur

    Forexpreneur Formula Junior

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    Damn it you beat me too it. LOL. I was actually going to say;

    Why is he so pissed off? Did the hookers raise the price of a hand job? ;)
     
  16. Forexpreneur

    Forexpreneur Formula Junior

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    This just in. Max has received confirmation from all FOTA teams. "Max you are an idiot!" LOL
     

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