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  1. Ferraripilot

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    #1 Ferraripilot, Mar 18, 2014
    MB have cleverly reinvented the turbo setup with their new engine. The turbo shaft actually traverses the entire 'V' of the engine so the compressor end is a shorter distance from the intercooler and further from the extremely hot exhaust manifold, thus providing a cooler compressed intake charge which is more thermally efficient. Really clever idea, this will take a while to copy, and this is probably one of a few reasons why their power unit is superior.


    Skip to about 5:50 to see their turbo and shaft arrangement.

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  2. LightGuy

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    #2 LightGuy, Mar 19, 2014
    Neat.
    I do like the idea of a dual inlet turbo exhaust scroll vs the single as shown and the original intercooler heat exchanger design is weird in that if air flows width wise as pictured it wont get cooled as well as it would lengthwise. Inefficient.
     
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    #3 Todd308TR, Mar 19, 2014
    I'm sure packaging is tight in an F1 car and compromises have to be made.
     
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    #4 Ferris Bueller, Mar 19, 2014
    Makes sense MB is ahead of the game with the technology.
    They have the experience with Kompressor and bi turbo's in their production cars
     
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    #5 LightGuy, Mar 19, 2014
    Cool intake temps have a remarkable effect on HP output, longevity and fuel burn.
     
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    #6 tbakowsky, Mar 19, 2014
    Humm..looks like street car tech is heading into F1. Have a look at the turbocharger position on the blutech series of Mercedes Benz road cars. I know the blutech is a deseil but the positioning of the charger is the same. Right in the middle of the "V" of the engine. Hummmm.
     
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    #7 bretm, Mar 20, 2014
    Very cool. I'd read it in a few articles, but nice to see a video.
     
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    #8 Todd308TR, Mar 20, 2014
    You should go work for them.
     
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    #9 YAMVS6, Mar 20, 2014
    set up is very cool,hearing they spent 5 years on developing power unit
     
  10. Ferraripilot

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    #10 Ferraripilot, Mar 20, 2014
    Very interesting, I had no idea this concept already existed on some model of car. You can bet Stuttgart had their hands in this helping MB HPP in Brixworth. Really innovative effort from them.
     
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    #11 Igor Ound, Mar 20, 2014
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    Voices they spent 500 million euro on PU development
     
  12. Ferraripilot

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    #12 Ferraripilot, Mar 20, 2014
    No one could have spent more than around 2 1/2 years on development as the formula wasn't really clarified until then. Energy recovery technology specifically with turbos could have had a longer gestation period, but not by much.
     
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    #13 YAMVS6, Mar 21, 2014
    other manufactures have turbos in vee also...though with reversed cylinder heads on road cars
     
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    #14 SlvSurfer, Mar 21, 2014
    How much advantage does MB have since the fact that they've been making turbocharged cars for a while now (I hope every few years they go from turbo to NA to turbo) but surely they know what they are doing opposed to a manufacturer that has used N/A for some time now. :)
     

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