Funny how he ran up so many thousand posts before he finally got pulled. As the saying goes: BS may get you through the front door but it won't keep you there. Granted, the constant props and protection from his blood relatives here have certainly aided with his cover....
Let’s not let forget the usual suspects, though. They appear to have gone into hiding of late, letting N1 take the incoming. Until the next 488 thread....
True true. But I suspect old habits die hard with 8 years of trolling bait unchecked on a Ferrari forum. They are like a rag-tag team. If you come up against them they try bulldozing you into a corner with fabricated BS. They work on the principle if they throw enough **** at you some of it may stick.
The 7:14 was a magazine time and that the Performante and RS cars are factory times, right? There is no comparison. The magazine even said they could have gone faster on the NR if they had more time with the car, IIRC. It was in German. VAG literally drives the car non-stop with a group of professional/ex-race car drivers and a factory team of support and set up everything about them. The tire temps are perfect, the suspension is no doubt tuned perfectly for the track, etc. They literally live and breathe these cars. The magazine is just some guy who is pretty good and gets the car for a couple days and that's it. Remember, AMS got the 918 to like 7:12 or something like that, and Porsche got it to like 6:57 (at most). So really you can subtract probably 10-15 seconds easily for a factory/pro-effort in a 720S.
I may have to do that. They have a demo car on site. I should have asked while I was waiting for the 458 to get a flat changed. Traded in for the 458 Monday, got a flat Wednesday. They found a screw embedded in the tire. The used sales-GM said, "Looks like you got screwed..." LOL! Great comedic timing.
OK, so lets make this clear. Shadowfax has no idea what he's talking about. He's literally clueless about the magazine times and it's not because he can't read German. Let's educate him finally: 911 GT2 RS 720S Nürburgring Nordschleife 6:47.30 7:14.00 Hockenheim GP 1:49.10 1:48.20 Sachsenring 1:26.61* 1:29.46 So, had he actually read the article (OK, it was in German and he can't probably read German) he'd have noticed that they provided two times for Sachsenring. Why? Because they ran it with two different sets of tires! The time published on fastest laps is with Cup2 R. The time with standard Cup2 was 1.28,56. The difference between these tires is almost 2s. So no, you don't compare a 720S on Corsas to the R tires any more than you would compare Cup2 R against full blown slicks. The laps are not comparable. So really the Porsche was about 1s quicker than the 720S at Sachsenring, then again it wasn't a H2H test. Different day, different weather. Times change. They are not 100% directly comparable, but it's a heck of a lot smaller than the 3s that Shadowfax claims it was, and it's still Corsas vs Cup2. Now lets look at the NR. The NR time for the 720S was a magazine. The 2RS was done by Porsche themselves. The 2RS had a factory driver who does nothing other than set fast laps in these cars for a living. Day in, day out he drivers Porsches. The magazine had a 720S for a few days at most. They had literally never even driven the car on the NR before then. The article even stated that they could have gone quicker if they had more time. It's a magazine though. They get a car for a few days and then it leaves. For comparison of the difference between factory drivers and magazines, look no further than the 918. Marc Lieb did it in 6:57 in a pre-production car and Autozeitung did it in 7:13 in a production car. So the difference between a pro/factory effort and a guy from a magazine who drives the NR a lot was 16s. So yeah, the GT2 RS time on Cup2 (maybe Cup2 R) isn't remotely comparable to the 720S time on Corsas by a magazine. Now for the final test, you had a H2H on the same day, same people. Corsas vs Cup2. This is about as true a test as you've seen so far and the 720S beat it with lesser tires. So no, there is nothing terribly odd about the results this day. The 720s actually just might be the same or quicker than the RS.
Insecurity and ignorance are a horrible combination and one way to make them go away on a forum is to just ignore it. I will no longer read any posts from “noone1” and if someone knows a way to block this ignorance from reaching me then please PM me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
noone1's post #2633 makes perfect sense to me, and it's a pity he had to spell it out, because I got that's what he was getting at the whole time. Personally, I think a 720s is a phenomenal car. I don't understand what anyone is arguing about.
The thread ran its course, nothing sensible matters at this point. There are a select few that argue any perspective not their own. Apparently it makes them feel more manly or something. This all started with someone lighting a match and now we have a forest fire. Time to close this thing down.
Whats wrong with the packaging with GT2 RS? It beats the 720s around the Nurburgring, we will have to see what the Pista does. They don't need to go mid engine, plus what is the benefit of having a mid engine car? Also cooling has nothing to do with it being a mid engine, it comes down to displacement and how much power your producing. Both the 720 and Pista are V8's producing 700 hp plus. GT2RS is a six cylinder with 700 hp plus twin turbo. Ton of power out of a small motor, so cooling becomes an issue. I think you care more about the looks of a car vs. functionality.
The 720 is a carbon tubbed, mid engine supercar. The GT2 is a heavily modified sports car. It’s quite remarkable what Porsche has been able to extract from a compromised layout. No one can deny that fact. I expect the 992 Turbo S to set a new benchmark for versatility and performance.
You will find these guys will never go away as they get some kind of perverse pleasure from knowing they are giving Ferrari owners the ****s. They need this to survive....it's like a food to them. So best to just view their presence here as being "every circus as having a clown" and just roll with it. Noone1 is a very pesky ridiculous individual - hard to argue that - with some of his blood relatives running up as close seconds (his dad is very protective too and you will find him always close by to his son I note - just as an FYI). Funny because I didn't interpret anyone arguing that the 720 isn't an incredible machine so please elaborate how you are arriving at that conclusion? Discussing the pros and cons of a Mac vs 488 on a Ferrari forum has evidently bought to the surface a select group of Mac owners who have made it their life's mission to attack any Ferrari owners (488 in particular) who have expressed an opinion or view contrary to their own. So this group is labeling these Ferrari owners "Mac haters" just for merely explaining/passing an opinion why they have chosen not to buy their Mac and, why they still prefer the 488 instead. I suspect the key driver for this groups behavior is evidently based upon a deep rooted insecurity over how the general public have (still) yet to identify with their beloved choice in the same way as the Ferrari brand has been received overall. That all said, we are only talking about a select group of offenders here and NOT the entire Mac owner community who thankfully by and large are clearly very happy with their own lots' with no need to push barrows' on other car forums of a different brand, against that brand. Some would call that behavior bad manners and blatant trolling - which it is. Their IS no other way of looking at it. I recall the same behavior occurring from a select group of Nissan GTR owners against Porsche owners some years back. It was like a form of resentment - that even though their GTR was faster than the Porsche, and an amazing performance package, (especially for the price) the greater majority still preferred the Porsche and this GTR group just could not deal with that and behaved very badly much in the same way as what is now going on here on Ferrarichat. Desirably, the group in question (who insist on remaining here for some odd reason) will at one point accept that this IS a Ferrari forum - and NOT a Mac forum - and, therefore not automatically expect that Ferrrai (or 488) owners - or, owners of any other car brand to oblige their POV. It's really that simple. The best solution is to take their barrow and push it for all it is worth over on the Mac forum - that way they won't wind up with their noses out of joint and having to embark on hate campaigns against those who have spoken out against their trolling. Rant over.
I think the 488 is phenomenal too.... But the 720 might be more so.... Big deal... The newer car is usually better. I like both of them and surely only someone with an agenda wouldn't.
Agree, both incredible machines... good to have choices... But we all have our own ideas on what suits and what doesn't and that's where problems can begin with threads of this nature - especially when those opposing brand owners get antsy on the main brands forum over differing points of view to theirs. For example; whilst I have a great respect and acknowledgement for the Maclaren 720 as being the better performing car, I chose the 488, the slightly lesser performing car, because I liked the look feel and sound of it much better than the 720. That shouldn't make me a Mac hater, but it seems that it does with this group.... Funny because I roll with friends with Macs, Porsche's, Lambo's etc and we don't have these issues of hostility toward one another. Who knows - one day I may buy a Mac when it produces a car which suits my individual taste.
Why is the 918 and the new RSR mid-engine then? There is clearly an advantage to a ground-up, mid-engine car if given the choice. I actually don't think Porsche would even race homologated 911s anymore if they came out with a proper mid-engine exotic. The RSR looks like a 911, but it's really not. You're right, cooling doesn't have anything to do with mid-engine. What I meant about the cooling is that Porsche has to do water injection (which you have to keep filled) in order to perform as it does. It can't stay cool enough otherwise. This is most likely not a result of the engine, but of the cooling system and design that can be accommodated by the 911 overall platform. There was probably just not the right packaging to allow for cooling the traditional way. Yes, it's not the same engines as the Pista or 720S, but it's not like those are massively less stressed. Porsche is a 3.8l and the Pista/720S are just under 4l. All are twin turbo. I'm quite confident that if Porsche did a purpose-built design for such a car/engine, it would not need water injection for cooling. But yes, I do care more about the looks because the functionality is becoming kind of pointless. Very few buyers, myself included, are actually getting much return on the improvements in real world usage besides straight line speed. And well, 918 looks about 1000x as cool a 911. Just my opinion though.
You think to much. Maybe direct your thoughts into buying a car and driving it rather than waste time opining over cars you don't own. Maybe buy that electric self driving totally silent dream car you fantasize about so much - you could even use your dads Tesla in the meantime just for something to do rather than spend so much time here annoying the crap out of everyone.
Let's just make this clear. Shadowfax does not practices what he preaches. And I quote him again for all you non-488 owners: He claims to respect everyone, yet he goes on to say that those who criticizes the 488 exhaust sound are acting out so as to feel good about having a slow car. How polite of him LOL. All you Speciale owners that didn't want a 488 must be so mad that you can't sell your more valuable car and get a 488... oh wait, you could because your 4 year old car is worth more than a brand new 488... The hilarious thing is that "slow" is relative to talent. I'm pretty sure there are quite a few on here who could drive a 458 quicker than he could drive a La Ferrari around a circuit, and they'd get to enjoy their exhaust sound too.
A tongue in cheek post of hilarity to the group of 458 owners poking sticks at 488s sound is hardly worthy of using as an example but by all means please feel free to do your best to get square for my hauling your nonsensical driveling ass out into the public view. And, fwiw I love the 458 - awesome car. Have been looking at buying one for my wife.
