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  1. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    It wasn't offered to you ;)
    My mistake was treating him as I would scum such as yerself :D
    (ie; Someone who knows what a harmless idiot I am)
     
  2. ELP_JC

    ELP_JC Formula 3

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    Yep, and still ended up 0.8s ahead of the second best. But with MW in 3rd, it has to be more driver talent than the car, no? I was hoping for a more evenly matched pace, not that landslide of an advantage. With that kind of speed advantage, and barring any SC deployment, he'd be able to pit the 2 or 3 tmes needed and still come ahead in 1st. Looking forward to tomorrow's race.
     
  3. kraftwerk

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    LOL yer a wolf in sheeps clothing...:)
     
  4. VIZSLA

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    Moi?
    I'm a puddy cat in puddy cat clothing. ;)

    Damned puritan censor!
     
  5. kraftwerk

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    Just say Hams bit of fluff, I'll know what you mean..;)

    I'am wondering about this KERS system RB are apparently not using, if not they may come unstuck in the race.

    But what do I know...

    Martin Whitmarsh on Saturday admitted he was baffled after it emerged Red Bull had not used KERS in qualifying.

    It is believed the dominant reigning champions may be using an innovative super-compact energy-recovery system that is charged in the pits only for the run to the first corner in grands prix.

    Theh RB7 would theoretically not then benefit from the horse power boost during qualifying and the races, but be able to run lighter and with a better brake-balance than those teams utilising full race-spec KERS systems.

    Told that pole sitter Sebastian Vettel and his teammate Mark Webber did not use KERS on their qualifying hot-laps, McLaren team boss Whitmarsh answered: "I see no logical reason why.

    "It makes no sense," he told Germany's Auto Motor und Sport.

    "But, actually, we don't really know what's going on in the garage next to ours LOL ok ...Mr Wit
     
  6. Fast_ian

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    :D

    And you did include a big ol' smiley in the post......

    Sean - I guess we all know how "wrong" our words can appear to others at times, but I certainly didn't get any implication of an insult - Just an attempt at a little levity - No hard feelings!

    Cheers,
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    PS - You better keep off his lawn though! :)
     
  7. VIZSLA

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    NEW THEORY: RB is running a traditional KERS but has only one unit and need to keep it secret from Webber.
    Heard it here first ;)
     
  8. SRT Mike

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    My guess on the KERS thing is that the performance isn't linear - the batteries take a huge beating being used the way they are... in the race, this means KERS would work better at the beginning than at the end. So RBR realized they were far ahead and did not need KERS, so they didn't use it, "saving" the additional early-use performance for the race.

    If true, then it was a good move.
     
  9. Fast_ian

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    Now that's funny! :D
     
  10. VIZSLA

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    I'll be here through the weekend :)
    Don't forget to screw your waitress.
     
  11. GordonC

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    I don't really agree that McLaren has a history of sandbagging - certainly in the last 2 yars, it's RB that has become very well known for trying to hide their true performance. I also disagree about Mclaren's spin this year - they were very hopeful at the unveiling that they had a championship challenging, innovative car, no pretense that the car was awful.

    When in testing it turned out to be slow, they didn't hide it, but were still hopeful that they could get it up to speed to challenge. I don't recall any McLaren people writing off the season complaining about an awful car.

    As to how McLaren turned around their dud testing car to a fast car - hard work. They had gone to the extreme with a very innovative 'octopus' exhaust system, but the FIA banned the material they needed to build it, and the substitute material could not handle the heat loads - so it deformed, leaked, and caused downforce issues. McLaren came up with a simpler 'Plan B' floor, tested in wind tunnel and simulator, and put it on for Australia, with the very positive improvements shown in Practice 2 and Qualifying.
     
  12. ATBNM3

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    With the huge chunks of tire the Bulls have been spitting out I think McLaren's great straight line speed will prove to be more than an advantage
     
  13. DF1

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    LH was rather hard on his tires and produced a few lock ups, more than I saw on Red Bull. That is a sign of how hard he is driving to keep pace with the Bull. I dont see anyone as smooth, balanced or quick yet as Vettel and Red Bull
     
  14. ATBNM3

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    hamilton has always been king of the late brakers... I can't find the pics but the Bulls have been chewing their tires all weekend. The Macs have not... Then if you look at starting performance Hamilton vs Vettel, Hamilton is one of the best and Vettel is well...not.
     
  15. kraftwerk

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    There is alot of head scratching being done right now I reckon.

    I'am not sure what RB are doing with there KERS system, as far as I can gather they may be using it for starting with a fully charged unit and/or using it when really needed, however it is not being recharged, so it will have a limited use.

    They also may have disabled the recharging of it because of overheating of the battery.

    AFAIK its all legal.

    The benefit is for better braking and weight distribution I think.

    There again they may be just using it as normal, what we do know is they or Vettel didn't use it in qualifying.

    I'am sure Newey is not happy Webber did not lock out the front row though, and that makes me wonder more, as if they have sacrificed something to be sure to be at the front.

    As for the tyres I'am not 100% they are destroying them, because the reports in testing were that Vettel had been running off track or something that damaged them.

    Either way its all guess work right now and we find out soon enough.
     
  16. kraftwerk

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    Hamilton is brilliant at the late move dives, however it can and does go wrong though, knowing when it's worth the risk is the key.

    And if it does go wrong he will have Button breathing down his neck all season.
     
  17. kraftwerk

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    All I will tell you is our system is not the same as others' but it's at its most beneficial at the start

    Christian Horner
    Red Bull team principal
     
  18. VIZSLA

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    I've already explained why Webber is slower.
    Pay attention ;)
     
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