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  1. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    The hottest rumour at the Suzuka circuit on Saturday is that McLaren is contemplating splitting completely with Mercedes at the end of the season.

    Germany's Auto Motor und Sport reports that the Woking-based team's plan, masterminded by chairman and former team boss Ron Dennis, is to buy BMW's Formula One engine division from the withdrawing German carmaker in order to go it alone as an independent chassis and engine constructor.

    The move would clear the path for Mercedes to completely concentrate on its intensifying partnership with Brawn.

    McLaren has an engine supply contract with equity partner Mercedes for two more seasons, but Dennis is believed to be confident that - as with his new MP4-12C road car project - the outfit can manage without the Stuttgart based manufacturer.


    Auto Motor und Sport said BMW would be interested in selling its F1 engine programme for the right price, and that Dennis may already have made enquiries with the marque's Munich headquarters.

    It is also rumoured that McLaren's existing Bahraini investors might bolster their involvement in order to support the new independent engine programme.

    Team principal Martin Whitmarsh has however denied the rumours. "We have no plans to buy BMW's engines,” he said.
     
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  3. ms.gto

    ms.gto Formula Junior

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    "We have no plans to buy BMW's engines,” he said.[/QUOTE]

    Great scoop !! Martin is not saying they wont "use" BMW... I'm concerned that F1 was becoming a 3 engine series ( Ferrari, Renault, Benz)..
     
  4. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    Uh...doesn't MB own like 40% of McLaren? Somehow I doubt they would just allow BMW in like that...
     
  5. IanMac

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    They might want to sell that 40%. In any case 40% isn't a majority, if the people who own the 60% want BMW engines that's what will happen, subject to contract issues being resolved.
     
  6. VIZSLA

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    What BMW engines?
    A McLaren-Ferrari is more likely to happen;)
     
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  8. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    Even if Ron (15% holdings) along with Mansour Ojjeh (15%) wanted the engines, they couldn't do it if they do vote. They'd need Bahrain to agree with BMW engines (30%).
     
  9. Cornbread

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    Highly unlikely IMO, but stranger things have happened.
     
  10. Modena360-66

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    Now that the Alonso thing is done, poor medias are trying to find new stories ^^

    Anything can happen in f1, but a bmw engine in a mercedes, i don't know about that.
     
  11. Bas

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    WHY would they even consider the BMW engines. They're the worst of all the engines currently in F1. Not the best power, incredibly unreliable...just terrible.

    If they do get them I hope Kimi won't be driving for Mclaren. It'll be his 2002-2006 all over again.
     
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  13. anguruso

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    Now that would be really cool. I wonder what Mercedes and Mclaren could possibly be fighting about?
     
  14. Korr

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    Boss Hawg probably wants a bigger piece of the pie.

    But as someone said, what BMW engines?
     
  15. VIZSLA

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    Thank you.
    A small detail that others have over looked.
    Unless something has changed BMW won't be making engines next year.
     
  16. kraftwerk

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    Yes and no not overlooked, thats why Merc are investing in Brawn in around about way for now, so they can have Rosberg (german) driving for them.
     
  17. VIZSLA

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    Yes Steven I get that part. What I don't get is the speculation about a McLaren-BMW.
     
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    Well no its a new one on me, can't see it happening as yet but who knows what the future holds.
     
  19. IanMac

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    The rumour appears to be that McLaren is interested in buying the BMW engine manufacturing facility. If true you are correct, BMW won't be making engines next year, they'll be McLaren engines. ;) It could be a good move for McLaren who would no longer be reliant on a 3rd party engine supplier.
     
  20. Senna1994

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    I think it would be a great move, especially considering they are going to also be producing their own engine for the MP4-12C. Cheers to Ron Dennis, hopefully if the Umpa Lumpa Todt does not win the FIA Presidency, we can see RD in the pits again once in a while.
     
  21. VIZSLA

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    Ah, Dawn breaks over Marblehead as we say around here.
    Given the BMW engine in the McLaren F1 road car there is precedence I guess. They could get added use out of the facility by making motors for their new road cars.
    Thanks Ian
     
  22. Drive550PFB

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    Let me say this . . . I can't imagine that there is not something in a contract that requires Merc engines. It would be serious malpractice for a lawyer to fail to insist that a team with a Mercedes badge would use anything but a Merc engine.

    Forget the 40%, I bet it is 100% in the contract to use the Merc engine.
     
  23. classic308

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    Yes but Mac can make an offer to buy its way out of the benz contract and install its own engines...doubt it will happen however.
     
  24. ms.gto

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    Great Point... I can see an engine re badge
     
  25. Wolfgang5150

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    Actually it makes alot of sense. With Mercedes buying into Brawn, a seperation of McLaren-Mercedes is not a stretch. Especially since they have seperated their road car development after the SLR ran it's course. As someone else pointed out, the new McLaren road does not have an M-B motor....good move by McLaren if it's true...
     
  26. patricko

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    If this happens the Mercedes badge will not be on the car, it will be replaced by a McLaren badge :D
     
  27. SlvSurfer

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    If McLaren goes through with it for sure Merc will sell their stake.
     

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