Mclaren Honda heading for a divorce for 2018

Yap..a big one...even i start to feel sorry for them...but them i remenber 1986 till 1991..and i stop

 

DING DING DING!!!

We have a winner.

 

It seems the Brits' last and only hope is asking for French help against a difficult situation developed with Japanese, Italian and German power. Coincidence?

 

All we need is the Americans to save everyone

Carbureted big blocks!!!!

 

The roles are very much reversed. Americans need Italian help!

 

Meanwhile https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-would-consider-own-engine-950408/

About time

 

I wouldn't go getting your hopes up too much that McLaren are about to start making their own power-units, their preferred option is still to have an outside power-unit supplier, but they want an independent supplier rather than a manufacturer's power-unit from a rival team.

Making their own power-units appears to pretty much be a last resort, and then only if it can be done on the cheap!

 

McLaren like BRM ?

 

Mac will get the renault for a couple of years and try to convince Porsche coming in and giving them an engine for 2021....this will be it!

 

Deal all but done https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/sainz-renault-switch-str-mclaren-honda-951146/

 

Bring back the H-16!!!!

 

I cannot for the life of Me, understand why Toro Rosso would want to swap the Renault power-unit it shares with its sister team Red Bull, for a Honda power-unit that has for the last 3 seasons proved to be a complete pile of cr:censored: p!

As far as I can see, it's F1 performance suicide! - Even Sauber managed to work that one out!

 

Perhaps Red Bull is not 100% happy with Renault...and wants to use the junior team to give Honda a second chance to come up with a winning engine. If Honda can beat the current Renault PU Red Bull could then switch it to the senior team and have what is now missing. And Honda might be putting some money in the TR pockets too.

Alonzo gets a last chance to prove his worth...as does McLaren...as does Honda...in ways that gives all three some face saving cover. And maybe Robert Kubica (with Renault's blessing) goes to TR (replacing Sainz) for his re-entry into F1!

 

Honda gets sent down to the minor leagues.

 

Well, Toro rosso only exists to test youg drivers for the senior team..they can do that with a Honda engine...and that one can come for free, and if it comes good one dayu, it's a nice alternative for Red Bull...

 

What if Honda puts its **** together and the engine becomes that awesome Honda from the 90's? I see it as a strategy from Red Bull to check what it can do in its team since being a Renault customer is not the best of all worlds.

 

I think he most awesome engine from the 90's was Renault 6x it powered cars to WCC.

 

Honda have had four years to get their F1 s:censored:t together, and it hasn't happened yet - So where's the evidence to suggest that 2018, with it's continuation of the same power-unit rules, is going to be the miracle year for Honda?

McLaren played the Honda "What if....." card, and it bit them in the backside big time! - My monies on Toro Rosso having serious regrets about this (possible) deal very quickly in 2018!

 

My very first post here to posit a question: if TR is for sale, is it possible the deal involves Honda buying TR for the rumoured $50m pa it was paying FA and coming back as full works team? Might explain Keys re-signing with a 'junior' team? No facts to support this - pure supposition!

 

3 fifth places as better result, 731 penalty places for changing engine, 56 engines in 3 years, ninth in WCC, 36 DNFs…these are Honda results since the comeback!
congrats guys!

 

56 engines in 3 years ! So much for costs control!

 

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/toro-rosso-agrees-three-year-honda-deal-952728/


Sources close to the the deal yadda yadda yadda.... when the official annoucement will take place?

 

I guess if the FIA allows that RB will demand the same thing...Although you are right that the current situation does not do any good for F1 RB will argue that they would be in the tilte battle with Renault having more developing as well and this would be good for F1 as well....
We are in a situation today where no team will leave any advantage to anyone else so I would be surprised if additional testing for one team will happen without the other team complaining loud.

 

For a good laugh..

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/10917256/mclaren-honda-said-and-done-how-the-relationship-unfolded-in-quotes

Ron Dennis (ex-McLaren boss), October 2014: "[Honda's engine progress] is mindblowing, the engine is a piece of jewellery. They are further ahead than expected. The competitiveness of the engine is without question."

Good bye Dennis... We’ll miss you... Not!!!