MEGA THREAD : PORSCHE VS. NISSAN : New GTR : 7:15 around the Nurburgring?

The car "Grabs" your attention because it has 3 different design languages in it. Not because it looks good. Not a car that will stand the test of time.

I've seen 2 GTR's now.... one at NAIAS, the other in A2, due south. I can easily describe every bit of the car that makes no sense with regards to the rest of the car if you like. Most designers will agree.

 

I disagree. The car is a strange design, no doubt. However, it is an evolution of the Skyline heritage, and while funky, I like it. The car has a remarkably low drag as well for its size.

 

I agree, the front doesn't match the back. And could those exhaust tips be any bigger?

But it's fast right, what else matters lol.

 

Please do, I would like to hear your analysis.

Personally I am a fan of the rear end design and profile, but the front end, A pillar & C pillar design are strange. IMO the sweeping vertical headlights don't go well with the rectangular vacuum central intake on the front. I think the original design included 2 brake ducts on the front bumper but they took it out at the final design due to high speed aerodynamics properties.


I see just as many design issues in the F430 as the GT-R if not more. The 599 also has its flows. In fact IMO the only car on the new Ferrari lineup that doesn't have conflicting themes is the Enzo.

 

Gordon Murray was quite positive about the design in the style analysis portion of the recent R&T article.

 

aesthetics are often entirely up to the personal tastes of the beholder. GTR is very Japanese and not for everyone. One man designed it overall; it is an evolution of the R34.

by the way some Ferraris look, I don't see the overly harsh criticism of the R35 justified other than to hate and disagree because it's Japanese and outperforming Ferrari.

 

True, but everyone I know thinks it's ugly lol....

 

Gordon Murray didn't design the skin on the mighty F1.... I'm not sure you could call him a "designer" in the normally applied sense of the word when it comes to automobiles.... more like a conceptualist.

On top of that, where are his other "hits" ?

Speaking of designers, I met with 3 major designers this morning.... one was even awarded CAR magazine's 'designer of the year' a few years ago... and they concur... the GTR doesn't make sense stylistically.

 

OKAY , ONCE AND FOR ALL THE ACR VIPER DOES NOT HAVE FANCY ELECTRONICS WITH THE ECU PROVIDING TRACTION CONTROLL AND INFLUENCING THE DIFERENTIAL.... THESE ARE RUMOURS STARTED BY THE PORSCHE DRIVER

Let me give a quick summary of what a 2008 Viper ACR in the hands of a skilled driver did this last week in the One Lap:

First Place Overall Finishes in 12 out of 14 road course events (most dry and a few in the wet). 2nd place was never any closer than 3 sec. and most were won by margins of 6 - 20 seconds. Chris beat the Davia Porsche (running full power) by 14 seconds on the VIR full course.

The only mod are SS headers/cats/exhaust...the car was delivered to the tuner/driver just 3 days before the competition and yes it is something u can buy right off the showroom floor and add bolt on headers...unfortunately all 08 acr cars are sold...

 

Care to elaborate on the styling critiques? I also think there are problems with the GT-R design, but most of it is contributed to aerodynamic and mechanical limitations. I don't think the GT-R designer made blatant design flaws that can be easily corrected. That's not saying it's beautiful, but given the physical constraints and the message Nissan wants to send with the GT-R, I am not sure too many people can come out with a better design. Case in point the rear trunk of the BMW 6 series is a thorn in my eyes, but given the overall design of the car, rear fender and rear window - I can't really think of a better trunk design neither.

 

Oh... no... You mean you actually took advice from Chris Bangle?

 

The ACR does NOT have any fancy electronics as you claim. It was a rumor, one that both the driver, and the owner of the vehicle have repeatedly shown as false. Funny thing is that since the ACR began dominating the competition, all the rumors kept flying... It started with:

Major Suspension mods claims: Then it was shown that the ACR has less than stock tires, and the suspension slightly detuned

Claims that the engine was heavily modded and running over 700 hp: The car has exhaust, headers and filter

Claims of major "electronics" as you put it: The car has no such thing, and you can even see where the rumor started on 6speedonline.com - "I know a guy who knows a guy who said..." Yep... There's the signs of a reliable source!!!

After JH responded personally to the claims, they moved on to claiming the ACR has super secret compound tire designed specially for the event! Haha! WOW! Jealousy at its max, and most embarrassing. After many others pointed out that ALL CONTESTANTS wear tires provided by Tire Rack, and the sidewalls have identifying marks on them to keep the playing field even, then the rumor mill changed their story to claim that JH paid off Tire Rack to be in on the scam...

Come on Walt... Wild speculation has NEVER been a reliable source. The ACR is very close to stock, and a driver that had little seat time with the car at all. Give credit where credit is due. The car is DESIGNED to be a track monster.

 

In watching the blatantly biased program footage of the GTR vs. the 997 Turbo from Best Motoring, the GTR is only faster then the 911 in two turns, but "really" one turn around the tight track Tsabuka... the tight banked hairpin, and the final turn before the front straight.

however, in the front turn for the flying lap, the 911 turbo has a MUCH higher exit speed then it did when the GTR "passed it" ... the 911 in both these turns ended up lifting quite a bit in each of those turns, allowing the GTR to get close, and ultimately, pass the Turbo.

In other comparisons where the GTR has telemetry compared for lap times... the GTR is only faster in two turns, with one turn carying 4-5 extra mph through a set of esses.... the telemetry that was recorded a Nissan test driver driving.... go figure... every other turn, the mid corner speed, entry speed, and exit speed was comparable, or slower then the Turbo, and Z06....

When I get more time, I'll go in depth on the styling issues with the GTR...

 

Go down to the local 711 and geta big gulp full of hateraid but here is an official vid of the run. I am not an engineer so I can't tell you how it did it but here is a vid of the GTR running 7:38. I'm sure vids of the 7:29 run will surface soon. We all forget that behind the scenes, the V-Spec is set to improve on these times as much as 10 seconds.. oh, and the little V10 wonder from Lexus is going to try to beat these numbers as well... Interesting times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGe_fyhQazg&NR=1

 

That really doesn't prove anything....

 

Of course it doesnt. You ask for a vid, and one is produced but that proves nothing. Sweet mother Mary of Jesus could appear and it wouldnt mean anything...

 

Your right!

 

I think this guy is just trying to mess with all of us GTR enthusiasts for his own sort of evil pleasure

 

I think the term for that is Troll.

 

And you keep believing the GTR ran a time as good as a CGT....

 

So says you.

On the same line of thought. The PR from this might be huge and they may be selling cars right now because of it and bringing loads of attention to this new project. In time if "other" people start discrediting Nissan, they would still have their profits, their increased sales and in the end who would care if a competitor started calling down the company? It happens all the time and not many people care.

So it may have been the ploy all along. Fudging numbers is what large companies do, leave alone the idea that car manufactures don't fudge the stats of their latest super car creations.

Personally I think this story is full of crap. Yes the car is fast but can it be "that" fast? Probably not.