Mega Thread: The 430 Replacement (F450, F500, etc)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqv3DuaTUdw&feature=channel_page
new update on the f450..forced induction supposedly..

 

RHD Cali spotted in the UK?? If you look closely, its a LHD car. The pic has been reversed.

And they are cat-convertors, not turbos on the 450 mule.

 

Dont look like turbos to me.
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Half the blogs on the internet -- including Fast Lane Daily above -- are reporting that the intake in these shots is a dual exhaust (!) and that the cats are twin-turbos (!!).

Strangely, I'm longing for the olden days of print media again. [Sigh.]

 

Funny that everyone is saying it will be turbocharged.

There's clearly no piping running back to the intake manifolds from the exhaust. I know that the engine isn't completely assembled here, but still...you'd expect a little extra piping for turbo work.

 

Ignorance is bliss, I guess..........

How can any 'car guy' make that mistake?

 

Rofl. The horse on the steering wheel is the wrong way. I wish some people would research stuff before plastering it all over the web (or youtube)

 

Does anyone have knowledge insight as to what this is showing? Three exhaust pipes? A new system/techknology? What?
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Hey, how about that cool spelling !!

 

Looks like middle pipe is a balancing crossover. Shelby's "Bundle of Snakes" 40 years later.

 

I don't see turbos either, but arhimedes had an interesting point about a potential KERS system. I clearly see it connected to the gearbox, as was described in the Ferrari Technological Innovation Workshop. Ferrari present a KERS not necessarily as a green alternative, but to "reduce or eliminate torque discontinuity during gear shifting." Not sure how much discontinuity there is in 60ms, but hey, I'm not complaining.

The first image is a is a description of the KERS apparatus itself from the Ferrari Technological Innovation Workshop, with a computer rendering. The second image is a picture of the gearbox with KERS mounted to it. The third and fourth are the spy shots, showing the top and rear views of the gearbox. I see it, does anyone agree?
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I think the third pipe is the flux capacitor.....
The green team is in action....
Tony.............

 

Please tell me it doesn’t have the single taillights

 

This is a beautiful car...breath-taking from this picture. It looks like it could bring the bacon home, in more ways than one. A home run.
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I think she'll be a beast. Just saying... Anybody see that video on YouTube by ScuderiaBoys with a CS and a Scud going full throttle side by side in a tunnel? The Scud takes it like a cake-walk. Amazing. Just imagine how much more advanced this car is going to be. Ferrari are going to stuff this bastard like an x-mas stocking! CANT WAIT!

The shift times are what do for me. Ever since I saw that Fiorano test video of the mule goin' round, I couldn't belive the shift times were THAT quick. It's radical. I honestly think it will be in the near future that Ferrari's shift times in their road cars will be so short, you will literally not be able to imitate the sound.

So what I think is that if the boys have done x amount, they have done y also. This thing is going to be the real deal. Somebody likened it to the launch of the McLaren F1... I wouldn't go THAT far, BUT, I'm getting the feeling this thing will rock the auto-community... Remember how people raved about the 360? Ten years of advancements my friends... She the big'n.


_J

 

Looks like the muffler bypass and bypass valves, like the F355, 360 Modena and F430.

 

I made the link to the mclaren f1 launch.But it was against ferrari.

Ferrari need to put at least a few technical innovations from those documents in the car:

-drag reduction by using syntetic jets, passive blowing,management of internal flows
-gaining downforce by underbody active flow control and active aerodinamics, umped underbody
-intensive cf usage,
-inovative cabine,
-mechanical components replaced by lighter and smaller electronic/hydraulic components,
-F1 type steering interface
-kers
-direct injection
-downsizing

and so on.......


I really want to see some of that in the car.....to be impress....But I think that we only see direct injection.....and relative weight reducction.....i think we only see just another supercar..........

 

Actually, there's virtually no torque discontinuity in the new twin-clutch gearbox -- it's literally instantaneous -- so a KERS system wouldn't be needed for that app. That's not to say this won't have a KERS system (or option) but I don't see anything in the gearbox photos that indicate where an electric motor would apply power.

Having looked at the photos again, I'm thinking Ferrari themselves released these to Czechferrari. The missing bits from the engine compartment are just too conveniently absent, y'know? Lots of expected stuff that doesn't tell us much of anything. And given that someone got that close, there sure are a lot of piecemeal closeups that hide the car's true shape rather than the more complete ones everyone wants. Just a thought.

 

Yep, pretty sure - I just hope it doesn't have stacked exhausts...

 

100% with you on that.

 

Most "spy pics" come straight from the manufacturer.

 

I'm sure that F1 cars have instananeous torque as well

I never saw a need for KERS on anything but a race-car. On the street, there is no difference from NOS. On the other hand, an economy car brand could implement it without the ability to speed up at the press of a button and use it to keep the car running under 30mph or something. A stop-start engine thing at stop lights... I just never understood what the need would be on a Ferrari. Put it this way, how could an F40 be better with KERS? That's a legitimate question.


_J

 

KERS in a road car seems pretty interesting. It's like having NOS in an exotic

 

LOL!
I was just thinking the same thing

 

That's often said and it has happened but it isn't true. I've sold spyshots and there's only a couple brokers who handle all of them (KGP). There used to be great money in it but with the emergence of the cell phone camera and decline of print media, it's getting tougher. Regardless, most manufacturers go to great lengths to hide their cars for the purpose of getting a marketing leg up at launch. Auto marketers are also MUCH less sophisticated than we suspect -- They seldom see the value of "tease" campaigns.

KERS systems would have a benefit aside from bridging a torque gap: Supplemental torque at low speeds/RPMs would be very nice for engines tuned for high RPM performance. As much as variable valve timing helps, low-end torque isn't the strength of Ferraris. A motor that makes peak torque straight from zero-RPM (electric) or provides temporary passing "boost" would be awfully fun.