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Discussion in 'F1' started by Ferraripilot, Jan 11, 2013.

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  1. Fast_ian

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    #226 Fast_ian, Jan 26, 2013
    Can't see how that's not illegal! From the 2014 regs. Only relevant clauses, my emphasis added;

    I can't find it now, but IIRC there's also something about "excess" fuel being returned to the tank - You can't stash it anywhere else....

    Cheers,
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  2. Drive550PFB

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    #227 Drive550PFB, Jan 26, 2013
    Since the engine is so compact, has the wheelbase of the cars changed? Looks like the weight can be more toward the center of the car, and maybe will balance better.

    Think anyone will go for a W-6 configuration to make it more compact?
     
  3. Fast_ian

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    #228 Fast_ian, Jan 26, 2013
    I like yer thinking! ;)

    Unfortunately, not allowed. :(

    The relevant section (edited for brevity) of the 2014 regs;

    Pretty tightly defined! ;)

    As for the wheelbase / weight distribution;

    So, no funny stuff there either!....

    Cheers,
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  4. Ferraripilot

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    #229 Ferraripilot, Jan 26, 2013
    I heard that same thing, that may have been what I was thinking of..... lots of stuff being kicked around. It would be nice if the rules weren't so rigid lately.
     
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    #230 VIZSLA, Jan 26, 2013
    What you got against the Soap Box Derby?

    ;)
     
  6. trumpet77

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    #231 trumpet77, Jan 28, 2013
    I re-read the article in F1 Racing magazine, and they were talking about the average car burned 160kg of fuel last year, and they wanted to reduce the amount of fuel used to 100kg.
     
  7. Fast_ian

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    #232 Fast_ian, Jan 28, 2013
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    :eek:

    If that's correct, they're looking for a ~40% decrease in consumption! I could be wrong, but that just doesn't add up to me.

    Are you sure they didn't say a maximum (flow rate) of 100kg/h versus 160kg/h today? That still seems awfully tight, but is a *little* more realistic IMO.

    Cheers,
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    #233 trumpet77, Jan 29, 2013
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    #234 Fast_ian, Jan 29, 2013
    No worries!..... Except it was keeping me awake at night! :)

    Glad we got there!

    Having said that, *if* they were drawing 160kg/h wide open last year that's still a pretty significant reduction. As we know, turbo's are a great "something for nothing" in terms of power and 500bar direct injection is much more efficient than today, but I am getting a little nervous that Fpiloto's comments about 'em not using all the allowed revs because of this is a little "concerning". Hopefully, if they run into it the FIA will increase it some - These suckers will need to *rev* to sound good IMO.

    Cheers,
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  10. Ferraripilot

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    #235 Ferraripilot, Jan 29, 2013
    Ian, what did Senna's old Renault engined Lotus rev to back then? It didn't sound great but it wasn't terrible either. A higher pitched angrier version of that could work
     
  11. Ferraripilot

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    #236 Ferraripilot, Jan 29, 2013
    I think I partially answered my own question. Looks like they made max power at 11k ish which was also about their peak rpm. From listening to them a bit more it sounds like they kept revs around 8-10k operating.


    And btw, why doesn't Stephen Johansen get more credit? He was wonderful.
     
  12. Ferraripilot

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    #237 Ferraripilot, Feb 1, 2013
    I forgot Honda's NSX Lemans entry years ago had a turbo V6, and it sounds amazing. If F1 engines of the future sound anything like this, then the fans will be a-ok.


    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGe88c7nNYA]"95 NSX Turbo GT1 Le Mans Race Car - Best Motoring International - YouTube[/ame]

    skip to 32 seconds in for sound. lovely.
     
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