Mercedes to Quit if V8's Return

I´m not the greatest fan of the current formula, but a change was needed and they can´t rewrite the entire rule book every year, so we better should get used to it.

 

This.

 

The fia started this mess there was no reason for them to leave the v 10 .Bernie has been anti turbo since day one f1 has been down the turbo road before and every team ran from them because of cost and fia thought it was good idea . The great thing about the 3.0 liter v 10 there where about maxed out only small development each year . With these power you got battery turbo and recovery to improve how much will a team honda spend just to make a lighter battery pack and smaller recovery system's . Not even talking engine and turbo and all the intercooler system

 

Agree. They just creamed the field based on new rules the entire field agreed to. That said I would prefer a NA alternative but it should be optional. MB and everyone else just dumped stupid amounts of loot into the development of these power units, it's not fair to anyone to just force a change on a whim.

 

The set of rules were originally for 4 pot no additional hybrid. Merc got those changed to suit them back then, so we can have them changed to suit us now.

 

I say: 1 L up to 16 cyl in any configuration... or 1L 6 cyl Turbo :both with Kers....
let them at it.

also have to open up the regulations a bit on aero and driver aids...
Active aero - ok
Active suspension ok
no car to pit communicaiton excetp thru pit boards.

 

What isn't?


A new power plant configuration would mean a total redesign of the cars. That's got to cost.

BTW As I remember Renault was also pushing for a greener, more road car relevant engine spec.

 

Well, here's the rub for Merc, if Honda come in next year and wipe the floor with them will they still be happy to have an engine freeze? It would be fairly easy to mandate minimum weights and or dimensions for things like batteries etc but effectively, at the moment, the rules are saying that unless you have a Merc engine, you pretty much can't compete, never mind win.

Not very sensible.

They need to allow engine development with some controls as to what they can & can't do IMO.

Not much different to previously in terms of materials & engine specs etc.

 

All true.

Is the sport willing to pull the plug on Honda though?
F1 is anxious to reduce their dependency on any one engine maker and a last minute change in configuration might lose Honda.

 

Ferrari need to resign from turbo in road cars cuz they always follow F1

 

If Bernie wants to get rid of the manufacturers that need to answer to shareholders about the sport's relevance to technology, he will more than succeed by bringing back old and stagnant technology.


Merc won't be the only ones departing.

 

I thinke French have already pulled the plug I thought there was talk of redbull Buying Renault F1 engine shop

 

And who'll replace them?

 

Wasn't the majority of the pit lane doing the same?

 

Sayonara! Sorry Merc but this is what the fans want.

 

Customers dusting off Cosworth's?

In trying to rescue the sport I fear they could kill it once and for all. This isn't the 60's and I'm not sure pretending it is the case is particularly positive.

Bernie's comment at the end of his conversation with Eddie Jordan was very telling. His question to Bernie was 'Are you ruling out a one make formula?'

8:53:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gmy80CaYIY

 

"I'm against democracies, with anything". HAHAHA

 

This. I preferred the days of turbos vs. atmos vs. 4-cyl vs. 8 cyl, etc.

It's stale with a spec. Sorry, flame me if you must, it's just not the same. Build what you want and run it in anger.

 

... harkening back to F1's wayward point of departure, the FOCA/FISA war, before Mosley and Ecclestone sunk their teeth into it, Formula 1 premised itself as planet Earth's principle proving ground, for automotive evolution.

As such, if I had an exploratory I needed to advance to development, and to do so I chose enter F1? Then, in bringing my ideas to F1, I should be able to enter, with any engine I please, with any tyres I please, with any drivers I please. As such, F1 is supposed to be an automotive engineer's and an automotive designer's platform, for pooling good ideas (e.g., Enzo Ferrari; Jack Brabham; Colin Chapman; Bruce McLaren; Ken Tyrrell).

Henceforth, whether or not I sourced an off-the-shelf stock block mill, or built a foundry to forge my own, I should be welcomed by FiA, to enter with my choice of a W-16, a V-12, a V-10, a V-8, a turbocharged V-6, an inline-5, or a 4 pot hybrid, I should be able to enter with my tyre of choice, with any driver I choose. There should be no such thing as "an engine freeze," or a three million dollar "super-license." Under no circumstance should a tyre monopoly ever be tolerated. Under no circumstance should one Automaker (e.g., Daimler-Mercedes) ever be vested market power sufficient to hold all Formula 1, hostage.

As is now the case (e.g., "...you can have any color you like, so long as it's black" -- Henry Ford).

Ecclestone's lost control. Ecclestone no longer controls F1. In effect, Daimler-Mercedes has subverted complete control, over all F1 (e.g., "... change the engine formula, change any one little thing, and we will most certainly pull the rug out, from F1"). Like it or not, what Daimler-Mercedes says, goes. Period. That's that -- asj.

 

Don't agree with that - the negative PR possibilities for being seen to be a bunch of spoil-sports who can't handle an honest competition (because they won't allow development) are huge.

The PR opportunity for Renault, Honda & Ferrari would be huge.

And again, if Honda (with the benefit of the insight into ideas like the split turbo etc) have really done their job, will Merc still want an engine freeze?

 

Even if it was the majority: what's the difference? Now it's everybody against Mercedes.

 

First of all, you have to give credit to MB (if that's even true suggesting going back to V8s when they're currently crushing the competition with their engines (mostly their ERS).
Second of all, F1 without MB would be toast.
And third of all, at this day an age, only V8s would be 'socially acceptable', since basically EVERY car manufacturer offers a V8. We could debate making it a turbo (with a lower rpm limit) or not, like most automakers are opting to do with their V8s. But if you want to call F1 the 'piinnacle' of motorsports, you just can't basically copy Indy cars, when those look and sound better, and are faster (but both sound like crap compared to V8s). I won't attend another F1 race with V6 turbo engines, but that's just me.