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  1. Marcel Massini

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    A few days ago Ferrari 195 Inter chassis #0117 S has been discovered in Southern California. The car had been with the same owner for 40 years. This car started life as 195 Inter with rare Berlinetta body by Carrozzeria MOTTO of Torino. It was raced in the 1951 Mille Miglia by Italian hillclimb champion Salvatore Ammendola on race #413. Five years later, on 17 February 1956, chassis 0117 S was REBODIED by Carrozzeria Scaglietti in Modena into a 750 Monza Spider, for the then Italian owner. There is written confirmation for this available (dating from 1956!). In the early 1960s the car showed up in California and Hollywood actor Peter Helm owned 0117 S for a short while. The last owner has kept 0117 S from 1966 to 2006 (40 years!). Chassis 0117 S with 750 Monza Spider body by Scaglietti will now be offered for sale at the upcoming RM Auction in Monterey 18/19 August 2006.
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  2. GrigioGuy

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    Neat! Thanks for sharing
     
  3. Tspringer

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    So, basically what your telling us is the sad story of another important original Ferrari race car destroyed through attempts to create a replica.

    Right? ;)

    Its an 195 Inter Berlinetta, with extremely rare coachwork that has been butchered into a 750 Monza spider replica. Right?

    Dont ship it to Italy.... the authorities may sieze and destroy it like they recently did with the Maserati replicas.




    Terry


    PS: NO, you guys cannot start calling me Horsefly! ;)
     
  4. Marcel Massini

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    0117 S was NOT intended to be a race car, originally. It is an odd chassis number (comp cars mostly had even chassis numbers) and a 195 Inter. No Export. However, there is photographic and paperwork/document proof that 0117 S really did race in the 1951 Mille Miglia on race number 413. OK, therefore, let's call it a race car. The rebody by Scaglietti into a 750 Monza Spider was done in February 1956. Confirmed. Car was five years old at the time. And it was done in 1956, fifty years ago.
    This is NOT the same case as with Mr Grazzi's Maseratis which were recently destroyed.
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    Another great find!

    Are any pictures available with the original Berlinetta body?
     
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    Here we go. 0117 S at the 1951 Mille Miglia with Salvatore Ammendola at the wheel. Chassis number is confirmed with Italian license plate from Torino and ACI PRA documents. 0117 S was originally light yellow.

    Chassis #0117 S must NOT be confused with the almost identical 212 Export Coupé Motto chassis #0074 E which has the door handles placed much higher, different door window, different upper windscreen and roof line, originally painted in red color.
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    This photo shows the badge of CA-MO.
    More information about Rocco Motto's small Carrozzeria in Torino and production of bodies for Ferraris can be found in the new two-volume book "Making a Difference", authored 2006 by Angelo Tito Anselmi and Marcel Massini.
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  9. Gary48

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    Wow, amazing find, i just love this stuff. Thanks, should go for big$$$$$$$
     
  10. Tspringer

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    Hmmmmm

    So if you take a 250GTE today and have some Italian craftsmen who used to work for Carrozzeria Scaglietti rebody it into a 250GTO, and then you wait for 60 years.... it will be ok?

    How many years need to go by before the rebody is a good thing and not the destruction of an original car?

    This car was not rebodied by the Ferrari factory. This car was never "authorized" as a 750 Monza Spider.

    So, a rebody/rebuild done in 1956 that results in a car being turned into something it never was to begin with = a fantastic Ferrari find.

    A rebody done in 1990 that results in a car being turned into something it never was to begin with = the destruction of a real Ferrari and the creation of an abortion of a replica.

    Interesting.


    You know of course I am just pulling your chain a bit, but surely you see the double standard that Arlie loves to harp on about (when he is not busy spouting his marxism in P&R)

    For what its worth, I would have rebodied it as well. The original was ugly ;) (well, at least uglier)




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    What's the story of how it was discovered and purchased?
     
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    Terry, your position was clear with the first comment. This argument seems to be sprinkled in nearly every thread in the Vintage section... We get it.

    Enough...
     
  13. italcarguy

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    Where in Southern California was this found?
     
  14. Bryanp

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    The "Ferrari factory" did not provide bodies for any car it made in the 50s.
     
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    Terry,

    This is more in line with Jim G.'s Enzo rebody not along the lines of butchering a GTE. If you choose not to see a difference, that's up to you.

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    Art S.

    PS. The original body made it look like an appliance but it was cool none the less.
     
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    Great find! I would give it a loving home with either body on it :) What is everyone's guess as to the value of this car at auction in a few weeks?
     
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    Jeeez , come on guys just messing about a bit.

    OF COURSE I see the difference, its simple. When the original body is UGLY, then a rebody is good! ;)

    For the record, I find this car discovery to be very cool and the fact that it was rebodied bothers me not at all. But then again... GTE rebodies dont bother me either. :)


    Marcel: any pics of the engine bay as it is now?




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    No, but they did contract with specialist companies for bodies. The body on this car was not contracted for by the Ferrari factory it was rebodied on the instructions of the individual owner years after having been built and sold by the factory. Just like so many GTE's that have been rebodied on the instructions of their owners....


    But, so what I love the car. ITs gorgeous!




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    Sorry to jump on this Terry. This issue is valid and worth discussion. But it has been overdone elsewhere. Seemed sad to overshadow such a great find with a repeated bash on this topic.

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  20. ArtS

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    Gentlemen,

    Can we discuss rebodys in Arlie's thread and enjoy Marcel's discovery here?

    Regards,

    Art S.
     
  21. Tspringer

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    Marcel:

    Do you know if this 750 body ever had covered headlights? The lights look a bit different from other monza bodies, but it may be just due to missing headlight covers?

    The intake scoop on the hood also looks different, I am guessing to provide clearance for carbs. I actually like this intake scoop very much, its fantastically aggressive!



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  22. snj5

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    Wonderful find and wonderful story - many thanks!
     
  23. Bryanp

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    the 4-cylinder series cars (500 Mondial, 750 Monza, 735S, 857 and 860 Monza) did not have hood scoops because they did not have downdraft carbs on top of the motor - their carburetion was via sidedraft Webers on the driver's side of the engine.
     
  24. iwanna860monza

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    To add fuel to the fire,
    As could be said about converting 8C alfa's, 250 GTO conversion's, fake Bugatti's etc., and excuse the poetics,
    "If it was done in period, then it wasnt for material gain"
    And thats the rub for me a Monza rebody today would be purely cashing in, making more money, fraud (depending on how it was passed off).
    At the time, what did the owner have to gain, not much in the mid 1950's I'll bet. And he wouldnt have known that in 2006 we would be second guessing his judgement, eh.

    And

    Once again Marcel, a stunning discovery, like 0052 and all the others, I salute you as one of our Ferrari GODS
    Tim
     
  25. thecarreaper

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    i love these barn find threads. i do wonder how someone can hold on to and let rot, such a cool car.

    i think i would rather sell off a car when i cannot enjoy it any longer, rather than sit on it for 40 years and let it get to a sad "original" shape.
     

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