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Discussion in 'Recreations & Non-Period Rebodies' started by wolfchen75, Sep 5, 2004.

  1. wolfchen75

    wolfchen75 Karting

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    I know that there are many GTO replicas floating around, fewer SWB
    and TR250's but I have seen only one California Spyder replica (330 Gt based)that was for sale at Autosport Designs in Long island and of couse the Boano that was rebodied in the 1950's.

    Are there any other replica California ( LWB or SWB) built on 250 or 330
    drivertrains ? anyone have any serial numbers ?

    Jeffrey Vogel
     
  2. dretceterini

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    I have seen a somewhat stylized, rather crappy fiberglass replica, on a 1980-something Corvette chassis in L.A. BLECHHHHHH!
     
  3. djaffrey

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    Jeffrey,

    Heres a link to one that was sold :

    http://www.exoticperformanceplus.com/autoForSale.php?auto=28

    Here's a picture below of the rebodied 250 Boano you reference in your mail (ex James Cagney car)...beautiful but flawed.

    I've seen a few otehrs but can't find the links right now....I'll repost whan I can.

    Darren.
     
  4. Boudewijn

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    California rebodies were also made on 250 GTE 2+2 #3635GT, 330 GT 2+2's #6993 and #7125 and 365 GT 2+2 # 12313.
     
  5. Fiat Dino 206

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  6. wolfchen75

    wolfchen75 Karting

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    I'm only interested in the rebodies of actual V-12 Ferrari cars, not any
    glass bodied, v-8 engined fakes..


    Jeffrey Vogel
     
  7. Fiat Dino 206

    Fiat Dino 206 Karting

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    1959 PF Notchback Coupe SN1445 converted to LWB California ... tyring now to find picture.

    Best wishes
     
  8. ArtS

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    Darren,

    What was flawed about the Cagney car? I thought in went into the California 'production line' along with new chasis.

    Art S.
     
  9. fish78

    fish78 F1 Rookie

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    There are several companies, Tempero in New Zealand particularly are marketing replica California Spyders...generally these are built fron a donor 250 GTE and the body is scratch built.
    http://www.temperocars.com/makes/spyder/spyder.html

    My question is: does anyone have experience with these, and do they make decent drivers...I stongly suspect that no one would try to pass these off as authentic...what would a reasonable price be for such a vehicle. Thanks in advance...please go easy as I am new here and NOT any sort of authority on Ferrraris.
     
  10. dretceterini

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    I would imagine anything less than $50,000 for a proper replica body in aluminum would be a bargain. Add to that the cost of a GTE parts car and the cost of rebuilding the motor, tranny, suspension, brakes, etc....$100,000 would probibly be getting away cheap...
     
  11. Fiat Dino 206

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    Not that I approve of chopping up older classic Ferrari's to make look-a-likes, the following link may provide you with some information that will help you with the pricing etc.

    http://www.ferraris-online.com/Articles/SCM_0011.html

    If you are not familiar with the site: The author has been involved with Ferrari automobiles at many levels for a number of years and has several articles at the site that are interesting reading.

    Best wishes
     
  12. enzo360

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    I've got 2 belgian ones:
    0603 GT: 250 GT Boano turned in to a 250 TR
    0827 GT: 250 GT Ellena turned in to a 250 GT TdF
     
  13. donv

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    Was the rebody on the 365GT 2+2 to a 250 California spec or to a 365 California (vastly different car, as you know)?

    I believe there were three 365 California conversions done to 365GT 2+2s, but I don't have serial numbers.

     
  14. Bryanp

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    365GT2+2 conversions - I know 10431 (one of the queen prototypes) and 11401 were chopped to resemble 365 Californias. 10431 is red and 11401 is yellow. There was a red one auctioned last week at Kruse - but Kruse.com is no help because they have just about every Ferrari on there and in their catologue mislabeled (and don't include s/ns). So I don't know the s/n of that one but believe that it was red.

    Boudewijn raised 12313 above - Raab provides 12313 as a "spyder conversion" - but what spyder configuration? Boudewijn, do you know if it is a 250 Cal or 365 Cal look-alike?

    Raab also lists a couple of Queen Mothers as "NART Spyder Conversions" - 12605 and 12611; and 12933 as "Cabriolet Conversion." Again, what are the configurations? does anyone have further info on these s/ns?

    thanks
     
  15. kare

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    There has been much sales talk over the past few years - some of which seems to be pure BS. I believe this car was rebodied much later than usually claimed. Would love to find out what type of body it had when owned by Greg Lambert in Howell, NY in 1965.

    Best wishes, Kare
     
  16. enzo360

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    Bryan,
    I have 12605 and 12611 down for the two Chinetti specials.12605 is black and 12611 red
     
  17. kare

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    Bryan, I think I can answer most of your questions:

    First of all: "chopped to resemble 365 Californias" I like your choise of words! These cars are not even close to original design!

    12313 looks like a 250GT california spider. Not perfect, but quite nice.

    I think three special NART spiders were built and the chassis numbers were 12515/12605/12611. These cars resemble a 1984 Corvette with 512 BB/LM plexi headlights and an egg crate grille molded into the nose.

    12933 may be an error by Raab. It has been spotted for a few times in Netherlands but I have not made any special remarks about it. Therefore I think it is an original car.

    Best wishes, Kare
     
  18. Boudewijn

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    #18 Boudewijn, Sep 11, 2004
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    Hi Bryan,

    This is a compilation of pics of 12313.
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  19. PSk

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    Please buy one that has already been converted (ruined). Please do not destroy another 250GTE or 330 America, etc.

    I personally hate this replica process that sets out to destroy a REAL Ferrari ... but that is just my opinion.

    Pete
     
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  20. xs10shl

    xs10shl Formula 3

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    I saw a 365 2+2 --> 250 California Spyder conversion last year at Christies Monterey (Same car as pictured, perhaps?). Mechanically, it retained it's 4 liter engine and 365 rear independent suspension.
     
  21. Bryanp

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    thanks, Kare and Boudewijn for clearing up 12313.

    I can't believe how far forward of the firewall/cowl the motor sits in 12313 - it may be the only time the coils in a Queen Mother have seen sunshine!
     
  22. drew365

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    "I can't believe how far forward of the firewall/cowl the motor sits in 12313 - it may be the only time the coils in a Queen Mother have seen sunshine!"

    With so much room behind the coils it seems like the gear shift would have to be a stretch. Maybe that's why they're using such a long lever.
     
  23. LetsJet

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    DJ,

    Is the car in this picture a replica or a Ferrari? All I can say is I like it...........
     
  24. donv

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    Bryan, I also like your phrasing "chopped to resember 365 Californias." That is the truth!

    Sports Car Market shows a 365GT 2+2 chop-top not sold at a Kruse Auction in Atlantic City in 2001. They show the s/n as 17623, but that is obviously either a typo or an error.

    The condition on it was:

    A/C. The chassis looked right, the ID plate and engine were proper, but the conversion of this car by "some guy in Pittsburgh" looked a little shaky at best, not to mention rear quarter and door alterations.

    The commentary was:

    Owner wanted $115K. Be still my beating heart. $115K is what Daytona conversions, done by someone you've heard of, are bringing. If it wasn't an inebriated chandelier bidding, this car should have been sold in a New York minute at $90K.

    Based on the comment about "rear quarter and door alterations" I wonder if this was one of the cars chopped to resemble a 365 California?

     
  25. kare

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    Is there a picture or why do you think the s/n given is wrong? There are a few dozens of cut 365GT4/400/412-series, many of which are frequently offered.

    Best wishes, Kare
     

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