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Michael Masi gets fired/replaced?

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  1. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Not talking about just the sc rulings, genius
     
  2. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    2021 championship was decided by a blown tire, against Max, Lewis clipping Max, Bottas taking out several drivers to include Max, Max and Lewis get taken out at Monza, a dumb stewards ruling against Max at Qatar, then Jeddah against Max, and Lewis escaping a penalty at Abu Dhabi by cutting the chicane.

    So many variables played into the 2021 championship....mostly against Max.....but it is what it is.


    Massa lost 2008 because of his 2 DNF's at the start of the season....it wasn't because of Glock not changing to wet tires.

    Nico won 2016 by 5 points because of Lewis's DNF in Malaysia .

    Alonso lost 2012 because of the melee into T1 started by Grosjean.

    So many unlucky factors play into a championship....."Luck is what YOU make of it"......not all the time.
     
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  3. ktu

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    No. What you are describing above is racing. No rules were broken if Max gets a flat tire. Those things happen. Hence the term "thats racing".
    My point is interfering with the RULES affected the championship outcome. That, fans shouldn't tolerate.
     
  4. surfwolf

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    Where is gutless Masi with his mea culpa? The least he should do is answer for his screw up, and apologize to all F1 fans for his error/mistake made.
    Instead the little weasel is in hiding. Considering how bad of a job Masi has done this year, I guess the lack of a "Backbone/Spine" causes this!
     
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  5. Shorn355

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    Ha! Nice :) What I have found is to first ask them to put on Curling - then when the knives and bats come out revert back to F1 and that becomes relief - ha! (WADR to Curlers) -
     
  6. 375+

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    +1 well said Joe.
     
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  7. jgonzalesm6

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    No rules got broken with Masi OTHERWISE the FIA would not support Masi's decision.

    We all expect when lapped cars are provided an opportunity to unlap themselves under the SC, that ALL cars can unlap themselves. Well, after Abu Dhabi2021, that's at the discretion of the race director currently.
     
  8. ktu

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    Yes it is at the discretion of the race director to break the rules if he chooses. And he did.
     
  9. Natkingcolebasket69

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    I think your 2021 analysis is somewhat partial:
    -Lewis was so far ahead in Qatar he would have won anyways
    -in my view max took Lewis out in monza
    -the blown tire in Baku did cost max the win but Lewis failed to capitalize
    -i would also add a non race in spa
    -Jeddah care to elaborate ? Max keeps his position by overtaking outside the race track and finally loses the position on track due to his tyres, not like he was going to win the race and nobody but him went into the wall in q3 but himself.

    Let’s try to get all the facts accurate ;)


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  10. surfwolf

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    "The FIA race director ignored certain aspects of F1's safety car restart procedure in order to ensure the title was decided by one final lap of racing rather than behind the safety car." From F1 release.....
     
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  11. bobzdar

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    There's no such thing as he has the discretion during safety car - explicitly called out in the rules - he makes the rules ergo he cannot break them. Whether he made the right call or not is surely debatable, but not whether he broke the rules.

    Lewis got off light twice with clear rules breaches both in silverstone and at the start of this race. There is no way he should have been allowed to clearly punt his main rival off and still win silverstone, and Max made a perfect on the limit pass at the start of the final race and Lewis only maintained the lead by clearly going off track and keeping his foot in it.

    If you want to complain about clear rule violations, look at those two awful calls by the stewards first and then we can debate Masi's split second judgment call.
     
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  12. ktu

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    The stewards have made bad calls all season, both Max and Lewis benifitted. However the SC rules were consistent, rightly so as safety is priority. What Masi did was go against the safety rules for his own interst, therefore deciding the championship. But he had permission the break the rules. And he did.
     
  13. cmos

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    I think Toto's response is pretty much on point. He has put this back in the hands of the FIA to sort itself out. He didn't just focus on this last race - instead he used this last race as an example of what happens when rules are inconsistent. This whole season has brought into question all kinds of issues - track limits, red flags, safety cars, restarts, aero flex, etc.
    Let's see what the FIA does to sort this out - all the rules need more clarity. On this forum, we in general know the rules better than the causal follower. I would think the casual watcher is laughing at the sport and what has occurred all season. Time for the FIA to reset. FIA leadership has been weak over recent years. They are a governing body - time for them to get a backbone, catch up to reality and clearly clarify/define the way this sport is run and enforce it!
     
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  14. Edward 96GTS

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    toto must have missed out on a huge bonus. after all he is a financial guy.
     
  15. tuttebenne

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    If it came down to one failing it would be his failure to red flag the race at four laps to finish, when Latiffi walled the Williams. Within a millisecond, the Race Director needs to decide whether or not to do a safety car or red flag the race. Failure to use the red flag at this point in the race/championship is inexcusable because he himself said he wanted to see the race finish under green flag conditions. If there is anyone on earth who has the power to make that call under those conditions it would be Masi himself. The fact that he did not indicates there are serious performance issues - (too much workload? Too much time spent on the line with whining Team Managers? Afraid to overrule someone on his team? Just plain ineffective? There is simply too much at stake to go into 2022 with him as Race Director IMO.
     
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  16. tuttebenne

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    Not really. He won the Manufacturer's Championship for Mercedes.
     
  17. Frank_C

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    Masi did nothing wrong. Even Toto wanted them to race earlier- sic “don’t bring in a safety car,” during the VC.

    Hamilton’s tone in his messages during the SC says it all. He questioned the tire strategy and where was Max fully knowing that after a restart he’d be screwed. They just took advantage of the situation and whipped out the pity me “cancer card.”

    Very disingenuous for him, Toto and MB to say they were robbed.

    He was outraced all year by a better driver in an inferior car.





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  18. Sig. Roma

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    It came from a source who knew what the FIA / F1 was doing.
     
  19. Sig. Roma

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    The decision was taken at Monza.
     
  20. xpensivewino

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    This is complete rubbish, what proof do you have that it was “his own interest” to manipulate the outcome of the championship. It’s fine to argue the call was bad, but don’t manufacture information.
     
  21. Sig. Roma

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    F1 is a business, its about attracting as much viewership from around the world. And one way of doing it is making a local driver the champ.

    Germany was not big in F1 until Schumacher, Spain was Moto GP until Alonzo. The Dutch were not that big into F1 and now they have Max.

    The Brits were always there because its a big part of their economy. The Italians have the red cars, had Alfa before them.

    And yes, F1 does employ the best tech (30 years ago, some said the DTM had more high tech than F1) in today's world.
     
  22. ktu

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    Gotta correct you here. As Alonso said, Hamilton drove better than Max the second half of the season. Max started making mistakes. Max had no answer for Lewis particularly the last 4 races.
    Even got embarrassed on the start with Hamilton on mediums.
     
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  23. Frank_C

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    Do you mean after MB turned the car up to 11? All along it’s been the best car money can buy.

    Although the phrase is used to point out an individual’s error, the underlying meaning is appropriate- “it ain’t the arrow it’s the injun………” George Russel proved that.


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