Thank you for proving my point. Even with 100% normal procedure, you just proved you lot will be having a 6 week and counting hissy fit that the rules where applied and Max won. This was never about the 3 cars not unlapping. It was all about Max beating Lewis.
Not at all. I said before that I dont begrudge Verstappen being champion at all. So you are barking up the wrong tree going along those lines. Max beat Hamilton several times in 2021. It's the fact that an official didn't respect the protocol that irritates me ( and split the F1 world in half too !) . Masi decided to interfer in the race to suit whatever agenda he had in mind at the moment, and it wasn't safety related. Whatever the pressure he received, there is absolutely NO rule that say a race MUST end up under green flag, NONE. He took that upon himself. And if people say that he had the power to over-rule the SC protocol, they are agreeing that Masi in fact designated the winner ! If it was as clear cut and above board as some would like to pretend, I wonder why MBS and the FIA started an enquiry. We will see what comes up. In between Max is champ and Masi is in the dog house !
You saying I should be banned? You constantly spread hate about Lewis and insult my intelligence. Not just me, I've noticed where you insult other people intelligence. Anybody can see I don't have history of calling people names or insulting people. Thats one thing you can't fault me with. But you want to ignore all of your actions and accuse me of being the bad guy. If you can't handle the truth, take it out on someone else.
But you guys would still be blaming Masi for letting cars unlap. That's the point. You said it yourself, if that would happen, you guys would be having a fit because cars where unlapped. No rule exist for finishing under green, but all teams wanted it to happen. They voted for it unanymously. That means all teams wanted it. Just wasn't added to the rule book (yet?). If Masi didn't unlap, he interfered in the result. If Masi unlapped, he interfered. No win situation. An enquiry can mean anything. Most likely to review the way the rules are written, interpreted, or indeed what the race director is allowed to do from now on.
Yes. If it was my forum you'd have been banned long time ago, you are the very definition of internet troll. We've had people like you here before. They're long gone. Unfortunately, people like you never go quietly and always end up taking a few long standing members with you on their way out. If you want people to treat you and your intelligence to the level you deem deserved, try and start showing some of it. Again, I or just about anyone here never had a problem with anyone here supporting different drivers/teams. A lot of us do. What we do have a problem with is 24/7 ****posting from someone that has zero interest in anything to do what this forum stands for. I've had you on mute forever, a setting that works pretty damn well, but you're the only one that posts so much drivel that the function renders itself pointless. You get quoted constantly and called out on whatever insanity you decide to write this time. I honestly don't see the point of you here. No fan of ferrari, it's drivers current or past. Only here to write about Lewis Hamilton. Join a forum about him or something. You've been here god knows how long and not a single piece of intelligent debate has ever come from your end. None. Frankly, I feel bad for the Lewis supporters this forum has (and I won't lie, it is a hostile place here for a Lewis supporter!), as sadly they'll be associated with you by many. And yes, I know what it feels like to be a supporter of a driver here that's disliked a lot, I was one of the few Vettel supporters here during his Red Bull time. I still got on with most on here.
Exactly, no rule exist. The teams don't make the rules, the FIA does. There is no rule saying that a race has to finish under a green flag, for the reason that it may be impossible. Masi couldn't resist the pressure, and chose to interpret the protocol and improvise a finish whatever the outcome. That's the real issue. Here we have a race director who bows to pressure, and abuses his power in the worst possbile way. A world championship cannot be overseen by "a man of straw" who listen to a lobby rather than the role he has been invested in. That's why Masi has to go; he cannot be trusted anymore to act with complete impartiality in the interest of the sport.
You may check again with the mods, but it has been made clear in the past that these were not pre-requisite conditions to be on this forum. Most of the posters on this F1 forum do not discuss about Ferrari at all, but about F1 in general. It could be different if Ferrari was at the forefront.
Here's the cold water bucket.... https://www.essentiallysports.com/f1-news-fia-executive-launches-a-myth-buster-max-verstappen-not-lewis-hamilton-would-still-be-f1-champion/
If the Abu Dhabi result had been nullified, the Belgian parade should have also been considered for the same treatment. How a couple of laps behind a safety car can be considered a "race" (with points attributed) is beyond comprehension. Here again, Masi's lack of judgement is questionable; he decided for that farce to count as a GP.
If the FIA and teams come together and universally agree that something is desired, they put it into action. It's as simple as that. It doesn't have to be written into the rules. I do agree that Masi was under pressure. That's not solely his fault. I blame Liberty and the others teams just as much, and the FIA itself for not giving Masi a deputy, something that was made clear much earlier on. However, the way the rules are written and can be interpreted, Masi did nothing wrong. Unorthodox? Yes. However, unlapping cars (like my earlier point where this discussion stems from) has been done for YEARS and that's fine. So regardless if Masi allowed some cars to unlap or all of them, the end result would've been the same. So, if the rules get clarified or even re-written, doesn't mean the rules where broken in abu dhabi. And if you read my post, I don't think it should be needed either. However, I think he's proven time and time again he's nothing but a troll, and THAT is against the rules. He only ever posts one agenda. Worship the church of Lewis or you're a hater. And I disagree completely, the vast majority of F1 fans here are predominantly Ferrari fans. That Ferrari doesn't get discussed much, is purely down to their (lack of) performance.
Breathe, Bas. Breathe. I encourage you to use the ignore feature for those you cannot abide. It works a lot better in XenForo than it ever did in vBulletin, so I think you'll find it helpful in creating a more pleasant atmosphere for yourself. All the best, Andrew.
IMO, throwing out the result at Yas Marina would send an acknowledgement of the problems with that GP and Max would retain his title. With all of the continued uproar, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the FIA make that move. (and, yes, I would be good with that)
No one else would agree to that, least of all Carlos Sainz. Especially since no one can prove anything untoward happened other than HAM feeling the pain of some bad luck for once.
It is absolutely is because of the fact that Lewis lost. The cars that were not unlapped would've made no difference for the restart. Max would've still been on Hamilton's gearbox, so all this bitching, pissing, and moaning about it is really stupid, and what it's really about is that Lewis just didn't defend worth a damn on the restart. I think a lot of supporters of Hamilton have just gotten comfortable with things always going their way, particularly stewarding decisions. As I said earlier, errors in officialdom and the permanency of such errors are a wild card for every driver. Throughout the history of motorsports it has been that way, and it doesn't make the benefactor of such rulings less legitimate. I think that it was wrong for the stewards to force Max to give up the position once more in Jeddah, after the miscommunication between race control resulting in him hitting Max instead of getting the position. But, once it was done, it was done, and there was no way to undue that result, wrong as I felt the ruling was, anymore than one can make the Earth rotate back in time to change it. Same thing with Abu Dhabi. The final lap was run under green. Whether it should've been or not isn't Max's problem. He was following the orders of officials like Lewis did in official errors that have benefited him, and it happened to benefit Max in that moment. That lap can not be "unrun" , even if it was in error, and it was absolutely absurd for Toto to lobby for such a thing, when it is unheard of if in F1 racing..
*facepalm* Was Hamilton prevented from defending himself on the restart, yes or no? Was it Hamilton who left the racing line open in turn 5, or Masi? Did Masi take Hamilton's steering wheel away? Hamilton was not penalized out of the race win with a drive thru or time penalty. If he was, you'd have a legitimate grievance, but that's not what happened. All that happened was one measly was allowed under green. It is not Masi's fault that Hamilton did not find a way to defend his position sufficiently, nor was it his problem that Hamilton had 40+ lap old tires. That was the Mercedes team choice. The FIA are not a human resource office for British drivers.
Such a move would be unheard of. Error by the officials or not, the last lap was run, and it should stand as final. Should we throw out Singapore 2008, since Renault fixed the results? That would reverse Hamilton's maiden WDC. What? No? Yeah that's what I thought.
If you turn down the job, prefering to eschew the responsability, you have no cause to complain then.
I already spend enough time on this forum. To put even more in being a moderator? No thanks. If you really think this is about me not wanting the responsibility...newsflash Furthermore, if you think being a moderator lets you do as you please...Newsflash again!
