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  1. SS454

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    Watch a Sim Racing broadcast and you will see how incredibly boring those races can be, especially enduro races when there are no cautions or safety cars to bunch the pack up. It sucks and seems unfair when a driver builds up a huge lead only to have it erased, but it also sucks or is unfair if a driver gets collected by another car or has a tire issue that ruins their race. Plus never give a driver or team a chance to exploit a loophole in the rules, they always will.
     
  2. Mosin

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    #202 Mosin, Dec 14, 2021
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    Its that the safety car comes in the lap after ( this is done as its supposed to give the lapped cars a chance to catch up to the pack, to be able to improve position, while burning off the extra lap of fuel so they dont restart with more fuel than the rest of the pack which is why they unlap and not fall back, as that is " Fair sporting " which is covered under article one of the sporting regualtions 1.1.1 Its the first regulation)

    Just want to add ,that with the first regulation in mind, at that sporting fairness ( EG sporting integrity ) you cant let just some cars unlap and some cars to be able to improve position and so on and so on.. its really quite simple, it always ALL or none, never some
     
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  3. 375+

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    FWIW, Toto is an Austrian directing a F1 team based in England. The phrase "Deutschland uber alles" is actually forbidden in Germany.
     
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  4. subirg

    subirg F1 Rookie

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    Has Masi been fired yet?
     
  5. Jack-the-lad

    Jack-the-lad Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Do they just whistle that part of the song?:D
     
  6. Jack-the-lad

    Jack-the-lad Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    They won’t fire him until after the appeals. They need his cooperation.
     
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  7. 375+

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    Nothing verbal but they are allowed to sign the lyrics.
     
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  8. subirg

    subirg F1 Rookie

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    Yep. Firing him would be an admission of guilt… and that wouldn’t be good. I highly doubt we will see him at the first GP of 2022.
     
  9. subirg

    subirg F1 Rookie

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    At last - Masi speaks :)

     
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  10. fer312t

    fer312t Formula Junior

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    I think this is the relevant part of the regulation -

    "Unless the clerk of the course considers the
    presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the
    safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap
    ."


    I.E. The lapped cars not getting the "overtake" message until lap 57 would require lap 58 to be run behind the safety car.
     
  11. SS454

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    Thank you. I would agree that the "following lap" would suggest lap 58. If I was Red Bull, I would ask why the cars were not released at the end of lap 56 when turn 14 was clear at that time, as that would fall under the normal SC procedure.

    Either Masi fudges the rules and procedures to secure Lewis his 8th championship, or he does it to allow for a final lap shootout. Seems he chose the one that is best for "good tv".

    If this isn't a clear case that the FIA and F1 in general need to make changes, I don't know what is.
     
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  12. Mitch Alsup

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    Racing has NEVER been about being fair--it is about creating an environment where "what happens" can "happen in safety" and a set of rules to determine who gets the "win".
     
  13. Mosin

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    #213 Mosin, Dec 15, 2021
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    MSC on board shows marshals still leaving the track as MV and LH start lap 57, so the track wasnt even clear on lap 57
     
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  14. Mosin

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    Do all teams / drivers not get all the same regualtions to work with in? They do? then its fair, What Masi did wasnt fair. every thing else is fair. not Mercs fault the other teams have failed 8 years in a row.. not LH fault the sport needed to manipulate a race to stop him becoming champion yet again.. its all fair till this last race.. that is why it needs to be changed.
     
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  15. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Fair???? Really!!!!

    Yes, 8 years of this turbo hybrid era BUT do you know the rules and regulations that made it so called fair to the other teams???

    Do you know how long Mercedes has been working on this turbo-hybrid formula?

    Your basing your narrative on one race(Abu Dhabi). Did you actually watch every race in its entirety of the 2021 season to include "fairness" between Max and Lewis???

    That's 3 questions. I await 3 responses from each question of your so called "fairness" ideology.
     
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  16. Flavio_C

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    MICHAEL MASI FOR PRESIDENT OF THE FIA 2022!!! ;)
     
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  17. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    Ladies and Gentleman welcome to

    Masigate:eek: ..or maybe Messygate?
     
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  18. ktu

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    Both deserved the championship. Lewis drove better than Max the second half of the season. Max had no answer for Lewis the last 4 races. The question is did Masi brake any rules to only concentrate on the 2 top drivers. And by doing so giving Max the title. Lewis raced all day. Max made pitsops all day. Look around on the internet, tell me what you see. Surely Max has an asterisk by this championship.
     
  19. Mosin

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    Yes, 8 years of this turbo hybrid era BUT do you know the rules and regulations that made it so called fair to the other teams??? Same rules and regulations for all.

    Do you know how long Mercedes has been working on this turbo-hybrid formula? Same time as Ferrari and Renualt, less than Honda.... But Honda was allowed to out develope Merc for a couple of years to catch up....

    Your basing your narrative on one race(Abu Dhabi). Did you actually watch every race in its entirety of the 2021 season to include "fairness" between Max and Lewis??? Yes i havent missed a race for over 20 years..... those races are done and dusted, if any team wanted to appeal the results or the stewards calls then i am sure they could have with in the allowed window they agreed with the FIA before the championship started, Every team ( Apart from 1 lap on the last race ) was run under the same rules, Stewards calls are just that stewards calls, They have been inconsistant on calls since day one, but not to the extent they have this year or last or well for the last 7 really since a certain new driver turned up. The only FIA international Sporting regulation that has or was broken was done by Masi to let MV have the title on the last lap of the last race of the championship, it is also why i class it as an unofficial lap as it is the only lap of the championship that ran under different regualtions to the other 22 races + 57 laps of the last race.
     
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  20. Phil~

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    Masi obviously bent the rules and tipped Ver the win. That win was the largest farce of the Modern era. No one really can dispute that on good faith.
     
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  21. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    You are aware of the token system? (2014 thru 2016). This system hampered development for everyone WHILE giving Mercedes an advantage.

    Mercedes have been developing the turbo-hybrid formula since 2007. Look up "Lauda tells Luca di Montezemolo Mercedes worked on the formula since 2007." Mercedes came into this turbo hybrid formula with a 100hp advantage which is MEGA in F1.

    The FIA backs Masi's call at Abu Dhabi. Mercedes does'nt stand a chance with their appeals. Max, for 2021, has been treated un-fairly MORE SO than Lewis has due to the inconsistencies by the stewards.
     
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  22. Mosin

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    Every one else could have started development sooner too, your clutching at straws.... the rules are the same for all apart from the lap that won MV his fake title

    Only thing you can say about LH MV fight is Silverstone, but please tell me, how many times has LH pulled out? about 50 over this season? MV? not once.......... who run over whos head at monza? exactly.. strawman arguments...... Max had the best car most of the season, the fact he had to win on the last race on the last lap using unofficial rules, tells me who the better driver was, it was LH as shown by his winning performances for the last but most important races all season.

    If teh ICA backs the FIA even though it is meant to be independant how can any sponsor, or team, or driver know if they are really competing on the same rules as teh dude next to them? the whole shaabang will be worthless with out any sporting integrity, you do get that right??? what does First article FIA international sporting regualtions say? ill show you as a reminder......

    ARTICLE 1.1 INTERNATIONAL REGULATIONS OF MOTOR
    SPORT

    1.1.1 The FIA shall be the sole international sporting
    authority entitled to make and enforce regulations based
    on the fundamental principles of safety and sporting
    fairness
    , for the encouragement and control of automobile
    Competitions, and to organise FIA International
    Championships.

    What Masi did, weather he is allowed to change rules or not ( Which i doubt, its very very unthinkable to be able change live rules during a compitition and live race for one lap ) did not comply with that article, so what he did is not allowed, so that lap is unofficial, the ICA has no choice to overturn that call and undo the lap and finish the race under safety car as is with the power they hold and have done before....

    Was Masi responsibility to make sure the race finished with in the rules allowed, he didnt, not only that but he made it unfair too, not all drivers had equal treatment or had a fair shot at gaining a better finish as Masi took that away from them which is not sporting fairness.

    The FIA's internaional sporting regualtions cant be changed on a whim at its for all these not just F1 for one lap ............. https://www.fia.com/fia-competitions
     
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  23. Natkingcolebasket69

    Natkingcolebasket69 F1 World Champ

    I mean even in regular production cars mercs engine are leaps and bounds ahead of the pack for mainstream cars, same with tech aside tesla, have you seen the EQS?
    8 championships is to me a reflection of Mercedes advance on others in real life. Personally by far my favorite car makers inspite my love for Ferraris;)


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  24. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Yes, but when you "tie your competitions hand" under the rules and regulations....it gives Mercedes an advantage.
     
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  25. Natkingcolebasket69

    Natkingcolebasket69 F1 World Champ

    Can you give me examples of how they tied their competitions hand as far as preventing them to develop their cars, be innovative and so forth? Not being argumentative but I am not sure what they have done there.


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