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  1. ferraridude615

    ferraridude615 F1 Veteran

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    Mitchell Report is set to come out today, I've already heard the names Roger Clemens, Andy Pettite, and others associated with the list. Looks to be a dark, dark day for MLB today.
     
  2. TexasF355F1

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    Should be very interesting.
     
  3. pdiack

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    This is the list that was leaked early. MLB disputes this list however. Frankly, not really any shockers.. It's just a sad day for MLB.


    Brady Anderson,
    Manny Alexander,
    Rick Ankiel,
    Jeff Bagwell,
    Barry Bonds,
    Aaron Boone,
    Rafaeil Bettancourt,
    Bret Boone,
    Milton Bradley,
    David Bell,
    Dante Bichette,
    Albert Belle,
    Paul Byrd,
    Wil Cordero,
    Ken Caminiti,
    Mike Cameron,
    Ramon Castro,
    Jose and Ozzie Canseco,
    Roger Clemens,
    Paxton Crawford,
    Wilson Delgado,
    Lenny Dykstra,
    Johnny Damon,
    Carl Everett,
    Kyle Farnsoworth,
    Ryan Franklin,
    Troy Glaus,
    Rich Garces,
    Jason Grimsley,
    Troy Glaus,
    Juan Gonzalez,
    Eric Gagne,
    Nomar Garciaparra,
    Jason Giambi,
    Jeremy Giambi,
    Jose Guillen,
    Jay Gibbons,
    Clay Hensley,
    Jerry Hairston,
    Felix Heredia, Jr.,
    Darren Holmes,
    Wally Joyner,
    Darryl Kile,
    Matt Lawton,
    Raul Mondesi,
    Mark McGwire,
    Guillermo Mota,
    Robert Machado,
    Damian Moss,
    Abraham Nunez,
    Trot Nixon,
    Jose Offerman,
    Andy Pettitte,
    Mark Prior,
    Neifi Perez,
    Rafael Palmiero,
    Albert Pujols,
    Brian Roberts,
    Juan Rincon,
    John Rocker,
    Pudge Rodriguez,
    Sammy Sosa,
    Scott Schoenweiis,
    David Segui,
    Alex Sanchez,
    Gary Sheffield,
    Miguel Tejada,
    Julian Tavarez,
    Fernando Tatis,
    Maurice Vaughn,
    Jason Varitek,
    Ismael Valdez,
    Matt Williams and
    Kerry Wood
     
  4. rollsorferrari?

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    as of right now, i've got a string of profanities that i would like to yell...first of all, why would you name darryl kyle? he passed away about 5 years ago. i've got a lot more things to say on this topic once i calm down a little bit.
     
  5. dmeyer

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    Its a comprehensive list of players who were linked to steriods, not necessarily all of them used steriods. Beyond that, this is an investigation not an indictment so this list is by no means mistake free.

    That said, should we forgive people transgressions just because they have passed away. We have not forgiven or stopped criticizing the Black Sox for throwing the world series even though most, if not all, of those players have since died. Certainly a said day for baseball but IMO they had it coming, they totally ignored this problem for the past decade hoping it would go away and now some of their biggest stars have been implicated.
     
  6. rollsorferrari?

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    i'm a little calmer now, and you make a good point. now comes the time when mlb and mlbpa, not to mention the teams, need to decide what they're going to do about this. here's the full report: http://assets.espn.go.com/media/pdf/071213/mitchell_report.pdf
    all i can say is, if the names named in this report turn out to acknowledge they took steroids, we just lost a lot of the most major stars. a-rod is definitely now worth 20-30 mil a year imo.
     
  7. ferraridude615

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    Very, very interesting list. Roger Clemens's Hall of Fame chances have certainly diminished.
     
  8. Wolfgang5150

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    I didn't see that list of names in the report. Where was that posted?
    Thanks.
    Kevin
     
  9. ferraridude615

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    There's not a straight list of names, you have to look for names within the report.
     
  10. TexasF355F1

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    Caminiti is obviously no surprise, he admitted it. IMO, he is the first player to actually bring to light the big issue of steroid use. I still remember him being interviewed by Jim Rome in 2002 (I believe) and naming names. Rome seemed almost shocked that Ken was even being so open without any pressure.

    Will be an interesting next few months for sure. Talk will probably die down in January and come back in full force just prior to the season starting.

    Rolls, I know what you mean about Kyle, but you have to set his death aside. He played for both our teams. I always like watching him pitch.
     
  11. Wolfgang5150

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    Thanks; I need a lot of liquor to make it through that entire report. Way to MLB. I like the line that says the 'Player's Association was completely uncooperative'...........first the StepneyGate mess tarnishes F1 - now this crap...........
    Kevin
     
  12. coverland

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    Well, some of this impresses me. The report was WELL DONE.
     
  13. rollsorferrari?

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    here's the full list, as reported on espn:

    Information Learned During this Investigation Concerning BALCO and Major League Baseball (8 players/ 3 active in MLB in 2007)
    From the report: "I requested interviews of all the major league players who had been publicly implicated in the BALCO case."

    Marvin Benard
    Barry Bonds
    Bobby Estalella
    Jason Giambi
    Jeremy Giambi
    Benito Santiago
    Gary Sheffield
    Randy Velarde

    Information Regarding Purchases or Use of Performance Enhancing Substances by Players in Major League Baseball (53 players/ 18 active in MLB in 2007)
    From the report: "The following discussion is organized in roughly chronological order. Records do not exist to document every transaction described by witnesses. [Kirk] Radomski stated that, with one exception noted below, the payments he received from professional baseball players were for performance enhancing substances, as opposed to personal training or other services, and this assertion was confirmed by those players who agreed to speak with us about their dealings with him."

    Lenny Dykstra
    David Segui
    Larry Bigbie
    Brian Roberts
    Jack Cust
    Tim Laker
    Josias Manzanillo
    Todd Hundley
    Mark Carreon
    Hal Morris
    Matt Franco
    Rondell White
    Roger Clemens
    Andy Pettitte
    Chuck Knoblauch
    Jason Grimsley
    Gregg Zaun
    David Justice
    F.P. Santangelo
    Glenallen Hill
    Mo Vaughn
    Denny Neagle
    Ron Villone
    Ryan Franklin
    Chris Donnels
    Todd Williams
    Phil Hiatt
    Kevin Young
    Mike Lansing
    Cody McKay
    Kent Mercker
    Adam Piatt
    Miguel Tejada
    Jason Christiansen
    Mike Stanton
    Stephen Randolph
    Jerry Hairston, Jr.
    Paul Lo Duca
    Adam Riggs
    Bart Miadich
    Fernando Vina
    Kevin Brown
    Eric Gagné
    Mike Bell
    Matt Herges
    Gary Bennett, Jr.
    Jim Parque
    Brendan Donnelly
    Chad Allen
    Jeff Williams
    Howie Clark
    Exavier "Nook" Logan

    Alleged Internet Purchases of Performance Enhancing Substances By Players in Major League Baseball (16 players, 8 active in MLB in 2007)
    From the report: "Since the initial news reports of the raid by New York and Florida law enforcement officials on Signature Pharmacy and several rejuvenation centers, the names of several current and former major league players have appeared in the media as alleged purchasers of performance enhancing substances through these operations. These include:"

    Rick Ankiel
    Paul Byrd
    Jay Gibbons
    Troy Glaus
    Jose Guillen
    Jerry Hairston Jr.
    Gary Matthews, Jr.
    Scott Schoeneweis
    David Bell
    Jose Canseco
    Jason Grimsley
    Darren Holmes
    John Rocker
    Ismael Valdez
    Matt Williams
    Steve Woodard
     
  14. wax

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    Takes a little trickery to get actual complete mlb list to display on a full page, but...
    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/news/mitchell/players.jsp

    rollsorferrari's espn link to report, to better find specific pages
    http://assets.espn.go.com/media/pdf/071213/mitchell_report.pdf

    Sections
    Summaries
    Dirty Rotten Scoundrels & page #s
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    Early indications of Steroid Use in Baseball (1988 to August 1998) - Section IV, pages 60-76

    Three of the four players named in Section IV admitted steroid use: Ken Caminiti, Jose Canseco and Wally Joyner.

    Ken Caminiti pages 71-73
    Jose Canseco pages 61-66
    Lenny Dykstra pages 66-67
    Wally Joyner page 73


    Androstenedione and Baseball's Broadening Awareness of the Use of Performance Enhancing Substances - Section V, pages 77-85

    A bottle of androstenedione, a steroid hormone legally sold as a dietary supplement in the U.S. at the time and not prohibited by baseball, was discovered in Mark McGwire's locker in St. Louis. He was also accused of using steroids in Oakland by former teammate Jose Canseco. In 2004, it was announced Derrick Turnbow tested positive for steroids during training camp for the U.S. Olumpic team.

    Mark McGwire pages 77-85
    Derrick Turnbow page 130


    Incidents Providing Evidence to Baseball Officials of Players' Possession or Use of Performance Enhancing Substances, Section VI, pages 86-111

    A number of incidents, beginning in 2000, were reported to the Commissioner's Office. According to the Mitchell Report, many incidents were not investigated thoroughly or at all.

    Manny Alexander pages 91-92
    Ricky Bones pages 92-94
    Alex Cabrera pages 94-95
    Paxton Crawford pages 111
    Juan Gonzalez pages 95-99
    Jason Grimsley pages 106-108
    Rafael Palmeiro pages 103-106
    David Segui pages 110


    Major League Baseball and the BALCO Investigation, Section VII, pages 112-137

    Several players were implicated in testimony leaked in the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO) investigation and the subsequent book "Game of Shadows" written by two San Francisco Chronicle reporters studying the case.

    Marvin Bernard pages 127-128
    Barry Bonds pages 128-130
    Bobby Estalella pages 120
    Jason Giambi pages 131-133
    Jeremy Giambi pages 133-134
    Armando Rios pages 106-108
    Benito Santiago pages 134-135
    Gary Sheffield pages 135-137
    Randy Velarde pages 137


    Information Obtained Regarding Other Players' Possession or Use of Steroids and Human Growth Hormone, Section VIII, pages 138-233

    Kirk Radomski, a bat boy, equipment manager and clubhouse attendant for the New York Mets from 1985-95, provided Mitchell's committee with players' names as part of his plea bargain with the federal government in the case against the BALCO. In addition, Radomski provided mailing receipts of shipments as well as checks and money orders from players, all included in the report. New York Yankees major league strength and conditioning coach Brian McNamee provided extensive context as well.

    Chad Allen pages 225-227
    Mark Bell pages 219-220
    Gary Bennett pages 222-223
    Larry Bigbie pages 152-158
    Kevin Brown pages 214-217
    Mike Carreon pages 133-134
    Jason Christiansen page 205
    Howie Clark pages 228-229
    Roger Clemens pages 167-175
    Jack Cust page 159
    Brendan Donnelly pages 224-225
    Chris Donnells pages 190-194
    Lenny Dykstra pages 149-150
    Matt Franco page 165
    Ryan Franklin pages 133-134
    Eric Gagne pages 217-219
    Jason Grimsley pages 177-179
    Jerry Hairston Jr. pages 207-208
    Matt Herges pages 221-222
    Phil Hiatt pages 194-195
    Glenallen Hill pages 183-185
    Todd Hundley pages 163-164
    Mike Judd pages 230-232
    David Justice pages 181-182
    Chuck Knoblauch page 177
    Tim Laker pages 159-161
    Mike Lansing pages 196-197
    Paul Lo Duca pages 208-211
    Nook Logan page 229
    Josias Manzanillo pages 161-163
    Cody McKay pages 197-198
    Kent Merker pages 198-199
    Bart Miadich pages 212-213
    Hal Morris pages 164-165
    Daniel Naulty pages 232-233
    Denny Neagle pages 187-188
    Jim Parque pages 223-224
    Andy Pettitte pages 175-176
    Adam Piatt pages 199-201
    Todd Pratt page 195
    Stephen Randolph pages 206-207
    Adam Riggs pages 211-212
    Brian Roberts page 158
    David Segui pages 150-152
    F.P. Santangelo pages 182-183
    Mike Stanton pages 205-206
    Ricky Stone pages 230-232
    Miguel Tejada pages 201-204
    Mo Vaughn pages 186-187
    Ron Villone pages 188-190
    Fernando Vina pages 213-214
    Rondell White pages 165-167
    Jeff Williams pages 227-228
    Todd Williams page 194
    Kevin Young pages 195-196
    Gregg Zaun pages 179-181


    The Threat Posed by Internet Sales of Steroids and Human Growth Hormone - Section VIII, pages 234-257

    Since the initial reports of a 2007 raid on Signature Compounding Pharmacy in Orlando, Fla., and several rejuvenation centers, news reports have linked the names of several current and former players to performance-enhancing drugs.

    Rick Ankiel pages 243-244
    David Bell pages 244-245
    Paul Byrd pages 245-246
    Jose Canseco pages 246-247
    Jay Gibbons pages 247-248
    Troy Glaus pages 248-249
    Jason Grimsley pages 249
    Jose Guillen pages 249-251
    Jerry Hairston Jr. pages 251
    Darren Holmes pages 251-252
    Gary Matthews Jr. pages 252-253
    John Rocker pages 254
    Scott Schoeneweis pages 254-255
    Ismael Valdez page 255
    Matt Williams pages 255-256
    Steve Woodward pages 257
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    Word on the streets is - Sammy Sosa was only one to not cooperate.
     
  15. TexasF355F1

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    A girl I work with just told us her boyfriend worked at the astrodome as a teenager. His job was to clean out lockers and such of both teams. He apparently found steroids left behind in Bonds locker once.

    I have no proof to prove this, but too odd of a story for her or him to just make up.
     
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    This whole deal makes me sick. Not just the fraud perpetuated on all fans of many sports but the monster this crap creates.

    My son starts and scores varsity soccer as a freshman. 9th grade, 14 yrs. old. Does pretty well. At one of our last games an 11th grader from a neighboring school, who we have known since he was 5, comes out bulked up, 30 pounds heavier. At one point some from our team chanted, steroids-steroids. The kids dad is a trainer at an athletic club.

    Then I talked to some 21 yr. olds who train, workout. They say it's so easy to get and that they know of high school kids using the injectable stuff. They tell of coach's knowing, saying nothing as they want to win too.

    So if you think this is just a fraud on your favorite sport, or that maybe it's ok because everyone does it. I don't think so.

    Problem is you will have to trash a lot of heroes all at once to change anything.
     
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    I remember when McGwire was in his first years in Oakland. tall and thin. Now he looks like the Michelin Man. Hindsight we now know why the change. Surely there were people in the sport who knew what was going on but chose to look the other way.

    By ignoring this tragedy what would have been a a manageable embarrassment has turned into a major crisis for the sport.

    And of course the fact that so many youngsters immulate the sports stars is tragic as it ruins lives.

    Moral: When nobody wants to be the bad guy almost everybody becomes the bad guy. Sad as it is and was avoidable.
     
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    Best news. Only three players tested positive to steroids this last year. Way down from previous years.
     
  19. Sea Bass

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    I remember in my culinery techniques class (cooking) in 2003, I was offered steroids by a kid. Meanwhile, at the time I had NEVER been offered any sort of drug or alcohol. I told him to get out of my face and get the hell away from me, but here I was in class and being offered it. I was 6'3" and thin. I wasn't working out, nor was I looking to. I found it shocking that a non-athelete, not even at a gym, was being offered it. That's when I knew that steroids were way too easy to come across.
     
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    That's the problem. HGH is not detectable in a test. Balco specialized in improved forms of steroid like enhancers that were not detectable. We are probably just starting to see the depth of it.

    Good for you Sea Bass.
     
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    That is because there are so many stupid bureaucrats.

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    I am an Astros fan. The Astros gave up so many players a few days ago, for a veteran named Miguel Tejada. I guess his value, is worth just a little less a few hours later ?

    The Astros mgmt, did not think about waiting for the report to come out ? They gave up five players, for one veteran player. Come on guys, where are your brains ?

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    Sad day for beisbol

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    No reason to boo just Barry Bonds. Barry Bonds, is just one of many players, who are juicing it. I saw Barry Bonds play ball, when he was at ASU. He was tall and thin. So was Canseco, Bagwell, Giambi and many others.

    Give the records back to Aaron and Maris.
     
  22. ferraridude615

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    I read something in the newspaper today, it was the Mitchell Report Starting Lineup.
    SP-Pettite,Clemens
    RP-Gagne
    C-Paul Lo Duca
    1st-Giambi
    2nd-Knoblauch
    3)Troy Glaus
    SS)Tejada
    LF)Barry Bonds
    CF) David Justice
    RF)Gary Sheffield

    Really shows you how good A-Rod is if he can do all this without steroids.
     
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    thats a big 'IF' ;)
     
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    i don't believe anybody in the league is completely clean: whether it was hgh, steroids, andro, amphetemines, everybody has used something at one point; to be honest, i really don't care anymore; baseball as any buisness is willing to focus on profits moreso than the well-being of the people they affect; i guess in some way were all guilty to some degree :eek: whats funny to me is you can't really call canseco or bonds evil when it was a league-wide problem:eek:

    we're right as a league-we're wrong as a league...THERE ARE NO INNOCENTS...
     
  25. ferraridude615

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    The Mitchell Report only scratches the surface IMO.
     

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