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  1. Miura Jota

    Miura Jota F1 Rookie

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    Would someone please care to explain or post the visual aesthetics differences between the S & the SV ?

    I mean exterior difference or upgrades
    not mechanical improvements

    Thanks in advance .
     
  2. Chaos

    Chaos Formula 3

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    wider rear arches
    wider rear wheels - visually fill arches a lot more
    different rear lights
    front light "eye lashes" deleted - depression left and painted black.
    different front grill and side light /indicator arrangement and shape
    wheel design slightly different

    joe have i missed anything ?
     
  3. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Yes its being restored to EXACTLY its original specification. Bravo!

    Rio Verde Metallizzato was applied to just 2 Miura SVs and you have stated the correct chassis numbers.

    Joe
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  4. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Different rear suspension mounting points, reinforced/butressed chassis points, split sump engine in the last 96 cars, side sills with bigger intakes, Pirelli Cinturatos CN12 tires (up from CN73s), and lots of small details for another time... oh and an "SV" badge on the rear panel.

    BTW the front and rear bodywork is completely different with the SV's rear bodywork showing a slightly taller silhouette in addition to the wider rear panels and more pronounced wheel-arch lips. Of course the rear panel section is wider with built-in recesses to accept the new three-peice 'Altissimo' lights. The front bodywork features a sharper frontal section with a lower front mid-section for better downforce at speed plus a 'long-nose' potrusion at its leading edge. The underside leading edge is more sleek allowing better air induction into the shovel-nose ('spazzaneve') duct at the front underside of the car.

    A word about the wheels: all four are specially designed for the SV with the buttresses machined away to give the inner lips that more flush sleek look that the SV was all about (deletion of 'eyelashes' etc)
    Joe
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  5. Chaos

    Chaos Formula 3

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    true.
    but the question was "what are the visual aesthetics differences between the S & the SV ?" - eg exterior difference
    and most of those arent visual

    i knew there would be something though. LOL

    iirc the angle of attack was different too.
     
  6. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    The suspension geometry redesign provided for this.

    Joe
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  7. raymondQV

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    According to my knowledge the History of #5006 is incomplete since at the same time the car was advertised by Auto salon Singen it was also for sale by Hueni in Zurich who claimed to have it restored.
    I wonder who really sold that car...
     
  8. wbaeumer

    wbaeumer F1 Veteran
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    If Hueni claimed to have it restored you can believe that. AUTO SALON SINGEN would not have my full trust for what they say.....!

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  9. Dinkel

    Dinkel Karting

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    Joe, how does an early Countach compare to a late Miura?

    I've been in a 5000S - excellent thing that - and wonder how the 4 litre's driving.

    The Diablo is an off for me: it just lacks the directness of the 70s / 80s Lambo's.
     
  10. EMILIO

    EMILIO F1 Veteran

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    i can speack about countach driving only
    driving a 5 liter countach and a lowbody S is a different experience, who drove one will tell you the LP400 is all different again

    i have heard the different miura variants are much different one from the other to

    aren't these cars lovely enough just for how peculiar any different variant is? :)
     
  11. wbaeumer

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    If you refer to the LP 400 as "4 litre" than the earlier car is more Cart-like. The LP 400`s race suspension is better to adjust to your needs. The later cars with fat tires are a bit like a truck in turns.

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  12. raymondQV

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    That depends also on the suspension adjustment and tires, my QV was very nervous at the rear with the PZERO C semislicks on the front.

    http://www.countach.ch/MyQV/gla12997_395.jpg
    http://www.countach.ch/MyQV/gla12997_370.jpg
     
  13. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    I can tell you 5006 is Italian-registered today... but I cant tell you much more :)

    Joe
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  14. wbaeumer

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    The LP 400 handling is much more nimble than with the later cars. Of course the XWX are not so good in the wet when they become a bit "soapy" but in the dry they are good. Of course are the later, fat tires better - but the car runs behind every uneven surface of the road like Lassie when it saw Jane Russell! Then you can find the perfect setup with the LP 400 suspension to get it individually perfect for you.


    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  15. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Where do I start... the Miura is a raw 60s type racer for the road and the early Countach is a road missile built for one purpose: speed.

    Joe
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  16. wbaeumer

    wbaeumer F1 Veteran
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    ...exactly!

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  17. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Happiness at top speed in a Miura is being in an SV chassis with a full tank of gas to keep the nose firmly planted :)

    Joe
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  18. Dinkel

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    OK Joe, does that say Countachs aren't that well in cornering compared to the Miura?
     
  19. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    No just that thats the reason behind their design. The Miura's design encompasses beauty, elegance, timelessness, grace, speed etc. in that regard its more of a benchmark car and maybe thats why they have higher values...

    Joe
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  20. Marcello

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  21. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Yes it is.

    Also sent you an e-mail via your homepage on another Miura.

    Joe
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  22. rosso_fanatic

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    Very true. I love the early P400. The fact that they're slightly lower makes them look so good. I didn't want to discount the P400 or P400S, both of which I like, I just like the SV best. It's like picking between Carmen Electra, Heidi Klum, and Shakira. I prefer Shakira but you cant really make any argument against the other two.


    I wonder why Jay hasn't picked up an LP400. Those seem like his style. Very rare, very cool, very innovative, and very influential. I wonder what his thoughts on the rest of the pre-1988 Lambos are (GTs, Espada, Jarama, etc....)

    Tell me noone has repainted a 6.0 SE! It should be a crime to repaint a 6.0 SE. They were only offered in gold or brown for a reason. I for one love the Green and Gold Miura. If I had a red and gold Miura SV and a lime green or orange P400, a dark green and gold P400S could very well be my next choice.
     
  23. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Great analogy!

    Joe
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  24. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    ... and very valuable :)

    Joe
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  25. Dinkel

    Dinkel Karting

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    Hi Marcel, uiteraard post je hier ;) Ben je de 13e in het noorden vh land?


    Re: Miura being a benchmark car.

    IMO (for Lamborghini) the Countach was the real benchmarkcar . . . Even today the impact when it arrived on the supercarscene - it re-defined that - is unmatched.

    The Miura is a statement of beauty indeed: no car to touch that. IMO the Miura ends an era, the Countach begins one.

    KR, Albert Mensinga / Dinkel

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