Miura, the original supercar

Yes, the later “B” badge is incorrect we know, as well as the chrome windshield surround, leather interior and some other minor things. Hint: all of that will be corrected to as-delivered, factory-certified specs.

 

By Strawberryfields31415

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Lel,

I really have no side to pick in this discussion, but just so i am clear while this goes on for a few more pages. You are saying that if you remove the sills, when re-assembling them, while using the original mounting points and holes, the spacers will be seen and this is the best way to restore the car as it is the most original vs moving the spacers or re-drilling holes. is that a correct assessment of what you are saying?


my question is, before removing the sills for the first time, are the spacers shown? it seems there is significant photographic evidence showing that they are not, but very little period photos showing that they are. my question would then be, how were they originally installed so the spacers weren't shown and why do you say that cannot be replicated?

 

The window and screen trim on an Urraco is stainless steel. I would be surprised if this was not the same for the Miura...

 

It's chromed brass.

 

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I really have no side to pick in this discussion, but just so i am clear while this goes on for a few more pages. You are saying that if you remove the sills, when re-assembling them, while using the original mounting points and holes, the spacers will be seen and this is the best way to restore the car as it is the most original vs moving the spacers or re-drilling holes. is that a correct assessment of what you are saying?


my question is, before removing the sills for the first time, are the spacers shown? it seems there is significant photographic evidence showing that they are not, but very little period photos showing that they are. my question would then be, how were they originally installed so the spacers weren't shown and why do you say that cannot be replicated?






I’m really not that interested in going through this again. I think I get the most insolent reply.


But as you are asking, and this is not valid for early Miuras as the had no spacers, refitting the sills with their spacers in the original hole is like refitting a wheel in their original holes. They fit in just one way, thanks Heaven!


As Bruno, BB4365, showed us in his photos, the spacers where visible when the car was new. Therefore it’s wrong to say that a Miura is badly restored when they are visible. And calling that “sagging” I can’t understand.

You , who were able to understand the sketch I made will also understand that there are no body shop in the world who can fit the spacers in the original holes and still make them invisible. For that you need a wizard, not a panel beater.

I found a few photos I’ve taken of some of sills belonging to my Miuras.

# 3165, an early Miura without spacers. Sold to Gianpaolo Dallara and restored by Polo Storico, still without spacers.

# 3135, my very first Miura, still in my possession, almost finished after 20 years of restoration. Here you can clearly see where the sills were fitted to the b-post. No spacers, just a nut riveted to the sill with two rivets. As one of my sills were badly damaged, I made two news that fit very close to the b-post, just as they used to do in the beginning of the production.

The last photo, of my very late Miura S, was taken just to prove that those sills were original gold. But here you can clearly see how the spacers were fitted to the sills. And anyone of you, I hope, will understand that there is just one way to refit them original. The rivets are wrong but I had the spacers removed just to see that there were no signs of any paint behind them, which proves not only that the original color was gold but that the spacers were mounted before the sills were painted.

I have discussed this matter with other Miura owners, who are of the same understanding as me and who can’t understand why I bother to discuss it on this forum at all.

L-E
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thanks for the photos and the reply

 

So it’s true that at least one S left the factory with gold painted sills.
Thanks Lel!

 

Thanks for all the photos. Looking at that last photo I am wondering if you are both right. You're right in that it is correct that the S and the SV have spacers and Joe is right they are not normally visable. In your last photo it appears that the right spacer may have been painted black at some point in time. Given the location of the spacer, a little black paint would make it disappear visually.

Cheers Jim

 

Here are what my car’s spacers looked like prior to resetting the sills. I see two spacers in different sizes. A black and a gold colored one. The gap was large enough to show the spacers and it made the rear portion look as it was sagging which made the sill be on a slight angle versus the strait line in the body work above.
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After repair it was flush with the body.
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Thanks

 

This is #4876, inspected end of november 2016.

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According to www.miuraregister.com current owner says 4986 has had some paintwork done to it though never completely repainted, so doesn't have 100% original paint. Current owner's father sold it in 1987 and son bought it back in 1996 so it can't be certain that 4986 didn't receive paint in between those times. Also, surely the sills must have come off in those 45+ years to inspect underneath/rustproof or as part of general maintenance?

 

I cannot help noticing that the bottom edge of the body panels are not aligned. This would seem to be a basic requirement for getting sills to fit snugly...

 

I may be able to shred some light...

On my fathers original, 1 owner, 1972 Miura SV there is one spacer towards the rear of the rocker. Affixed to the rocker but in a position just under the rear bonnet. The spacer is barely noticeable unless you really look.

We believe that most cars had some spacer, but the current interpretation used on restorations is much more pronounced and very noticeable.