Miura, the original supercar

I have an email plus a separate text on file confirming your interest in the car so no need to change your story and pretend that you weren't interested. Suddenly the car that you just stated a few posts ago was an "excellent Miura" is flawed? Hilarious! If that isn't a clear display of blatant sour grapes I don't know what is.

The more you post the more you show why you complained in the first place, so in summary, all the fuss you've created is because I didn't say: '4115 was restored by Howard De Haven, M & L Auto, Huber Restoration, Blake Woolf and Jeff Stephan'?

Guess what Clint, I'll say what feels right as I see it, even though I admit some obvious simplification we're all entitled to our way of characterizing things which is why I said "different opinions are fine", but you appear so blinded with disappointment that you're only looking at things from your perspective.

Let's review.

First you didn't get the car, an "excellent Miura" according to you, the one thing we agree with.

Second the guy who sold it won't be bullied by you into stating the restorer just the way you feel it should be, and he's called it sour grapes like it is, so you've resorted to calling him names. Very mature, what would your clients think?

Third, now you haven't managed to impose your will here, the car is the car's rear spoiler is somehow flawed. Seriously, and is any Miura including 3102's bodywork perfect? Don't get me started, speaking of which, I started this Miura thread @ 17 years ago and you showed up here just 3 years ago and suddenly how you see things is the only way to state them? Hilarious.

Miura rising.

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We have seen most Miuras that are shown publicly in the USA at some point over the past 25 years, and I think it would be fair to say that IMO 4115 has one of the best body panel fitment of any Miura I have encountered, sold or owned, and that includes all of our own Miuras.

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Nobody has discredited Blake Woolf by omitting to mention him as the 'restorer' of the car, so you can continue your redundant one-man crusade all you like.

Read your own posts, when you don't seem to be getting anywhere, name-calling is your next step, its here for all to see, just because you have stated something does not make me that in the least, you're wasting your time on this, I've received personal attacks before and as history proves, they go nowhere, the fact is the name-calling only speaks to your poor behavior.

Your emotional investment in 4115 is clearly still high as your time wasted on this thread proves, I agree that the fact that you have zero investment in 4115 should mean there's no need for sour grapes, which is why your display of same is interesting.

I never said I would post text messages and emails to share publicly , even though it's clearly your style to share private messages publicly without permission, it isn't mine, but, I have the additional ones I do as a matter of record and so I can share them as needed privately. There are other emails that confirm your interest in 4115 but I'm not posting any of them, it would be easy for me to confirm thier existence to anyone who has a relevant need to know. Meanwhile the text you've posted not only confirms the seller was happy, but it does also confirm you were interested

By his own admission Roy Sinor does not know the full story of the car's restoration, as he said to me, he knows little of Miuras nor is he that interested in them being a Corvette specialist, we both know this so posting his communication with you is a waste of time.

Stop grasping at straws in an attempt to change the narrative, I never said I was unaware of any conversations about the correctness of the spoiler, what I said was "suddenly the car that you just stated a few posts ago was an 'excellent Miura' is flawed? Hilarious!", that's what I said. I also said you think "3102's bodywork perfect?" because now that things haven't gone your way you are casting stones at another person's Miura, one you failed to acquire, when your own isn't perfect, which still further underscores your sour grapes. I realize you have tunnel vision and are continuing to preach the Gospel according to Clint, but as I said, I have been involved in restorations where my name is not mentioned subsequently and I didn't get twisted over it, why would Blake?

Again, the parties who do have a relevant interest in the car (seller - facilitator - buyer) are happy, so see if you can possibly find it in your heart to be happy the car has gone to a home where it will be loved, taken care of and used.

Meanwhile I will indeed credit Blake for his meticulousness in general and keeping every scrap of paper documenting this car's true history, over a hundred of pages if I recall correctly, safe in a box in the trunk.

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Complete nonsense.

We have dealt with this before but as usual you're too busy asserting your point of view to notice.

See post #20128.

It's here if you can't find it:

https://lamborghinichat.com/forum/posts/146425204/

Embedded for posterity:

"This Miura S was sold on the basis that it was a nice restored Miura S, not on the basis that Stephan, or anyone else of repute, restored it. At the point of sale, the current owner did not have any prior knowledge of who Jeff Stephan was, nor was his name used to add a penny more in value to the sales price, all the buyer cared about was that it's a nicely restored Miura S which he's been been wanting for 12 years in the right color, so the mention that Jeff restored the car here long after the car has already sold was not stated to add any value whatsoever, it was simply a statement of fact."

The notion that Stephan's name was used for anything other than brevity is yet another false assertion, the new owner of the car had never heard of him and certainly didn't pay up because of his or anyone's name.

LOL that is just precious!

 

Dear Clint,

You started all this back-and-forth by unnecessarily creating a fuss about my obviously abbreviated response to who restored 4115, perhaps you were not expecting the push-back you've received and now you feel too much time has been wasted, but please bear in mind that you are not Blake’s appointed defender and you do not have any real connection to him or his former Miura 4115. Carrie his longtime wife on the other hand does have a connection to him and the car, and she is on record as saying she’s happy with the deal, and, I feel sure she's delighted that the car ended up in an appreciative and capable home.

To put your complaint in perspective, what about Howard De Haven who in fact did far more as far as the restoration goes than Blake, should he not be the one credited instead of Blake? He started the restoration, disassembled the car, retained H&L and Huber Restorations and essentially gave Blake the same stage of Miura that Bertone SpA would supply Lamborghini SpA as confirmed by the 2004 photos. Shall we complain that Howard’s been slighted too because the restoration isn't accredited to him? When asked about 3102, do you give a full accounting of all the entities that Paul Hoey retained to help restore the car or is it a disservice to the others to simply say Paul restored the car? See how ridiculous this all is? The whole thing is quite silly because at the end of the day we are all entitled to our opinions, you have yours which I've acknowledged, but I have mine.

Yet again, unlike you, my style is not to publicly post communications without permission, not only is that highly inappropriate, it's underhanded at best and unethical at worst as said communications have an expectation of privacy, meanwhile in my case, I regard that material as proprietary and modesty forbids disclosure. You must be feeling a bit insecure to be concerned about this because rest assured nowhere have I indicated or suggested that I possess anything negative about you, what I possess simply confirms that you had an interest in buying 4115 which IMO establishes the motive for your dissatisfaction, nothing more or less so please don't try to change the narrative.

You may go ahead and think we have a fundamental difference of opinion on the definition of the word “restoration”, but for the record, over the past 25 years, I have personally been involved in the full restoration of 2 Miuras for myself, and at least 10 more for clients, this not counting 3 Countach restorations for ourself and the overseeing of a dozen more for clients, so I think my definition of the word restoration is well-understood. Many people are involved in the restoration of these cars and usually the guy who finished the job and puts the car together for delivery gets the credit, the others notwithstanding.

I am glad you have nothing but warm wishes towards the new owner and welcome him to the Miura community, he deserves nothing less and for the record he's not the least bit fazed about the characterization of the restoration, he has a boxful of documents that tell the full story.

I will reciprocate and part with something less controversial that involves our children, we started them early with Miuras and they've seen more than there fair share. Here's my daughter Izzy in our Miura SV 4884 from 17 years ago, the young lady is all grown up these days, also, here's another of our son Vince in the ex-Shah of Persia Miura SV 4870 from @ 21 years ago, he's 25 now and that young man in the very gentleman who flew to Oklahoma last month to inspect and green-light the purchase of the now much-controversial 4115.

Where's the thumbs-up button here?

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Patina from a life well-lived!

 

There are very few truly original Miuras, here's one that came to visit us https://www.instagram.com/p/Ciwhmsau11L/

 

At this price I'll take 3!

https://www.bonhams.com/auction/27528/lot/110/1968-lamborghini-miura-p400-chassis-no-3769-engine-no-2448/

P400 3769, estimate posted: €500,000 - €800,000.

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900,000 Eu - 1.4m Eu is the estimate, I'd want to be at the low end of that for this car, non-original paint, bodywork and interior, that said every Miura deserves TLC.

Interesting that whilst actually looking at the chassis, the auctioneer says it's a tubular chassis!

 

Miura SV 4924 is coming to auction https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/lf22/london/lots/r0028-1971-lamborghini-miura-sv-by-bertone/1301169

This is actually a USA-specification SV (as the telltale all-amber turnsignal lenses suggest), delivered August the 18th 1971 to Pedretti & Caiti’s Modena Car New York, USA in Rosso Corsa with Senape interior, I believe we posted it in original guise early in this thread, now repainted Verde.

 

Keen observers may have seen 4924 drifting on a dirt track earlier this year https://www.instagram.com/p/CdiknblIfVb/?hl=en