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Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by coachi, Dec 27, 2007.

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  1. coachi

    coachi Formula 3

    May 1, 2002
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    well, I am fully aware that most F 40 owners prefer their cars to be 100% stock. I on the other hand have an F40 modified by previous owner/s and it is quite awesome. It has a special steering wheel, large intercoolers that can also be water cooled, five point racing belts on the driver's side, 18" wheels (kinesis), large slotted discs and atp calipers, jr-z adjustable shocks, fan cooled oil radiator, professionally installed fire extinguishing system and useful items like a cigar lighter which i can plug my GPS into, as well as a connection for my Valentine radar detector. The wing on the rear of the car evedn has a small carbon ledge to further improve the aerodyamics of the rear end.

    Being aware of the need to have the original items needed to convert the car back to factory specs, I have managed to purchase all but one set of seatbelts for the driver's side, and new oem shocks. I have been successful in finding the original intercoolers, 17" discs and proper brembo calipers, as well as several front and rear wheels.

    I am proud of the uniqueness of my car, and was pleased to learn that the F40 reunion in Japan produced over 100 F40, all modified to their owners' tastes. I enjoy driving my car, and wonder if any of you guys who subscribe to FChat have modifed your cars to some extent or the other. I would love to see some posts here. I was told by Shelton who had sold the car somewhere along the line that the modifications cost some 50,000.

    Let's hear from you guys. Thanks.
     
  2. amenasce

    amenasce Three Time F1 World Champ
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    I love modified F40s . Actually that silver one from Japan that looks like a GTE is perfect ..

    Coachi , you should post some detailed pics of your F40 , reading the list of mods made me hungry for pics :) . I have seen pics of your car when it was for sale but some new pics would be nice :).
     
  3. frefan

    frefan F1 Veteran

    Apr 21, 2004
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    I think its awesome coachi. Its amazing how a 20 year old car can be brought up to modern supercar specs. I just went the simple route, exhaust + fire kit. But I appreciate modded cars. Its funny when people are looking for an F40 they want all stock, but when they get them they are shocked at how expensive the mods can be.
     
  4. coachi

    coachi Formula 3

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    I forgot to add that I have tubis but no stock exhaust :)
     
  5. BMW.SauberF1Team

    BMW.SauberF1Team F1 World Champ

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    I love F40s--modified or not. I can see myself buying a relatively high-mileage F40 in quite a few years and making it completely black (wheels, cf rotors, tinted windows and rear glass, etc). Looks good! :)
     
  6. 512Tea Are

    512Tea Are F1 Rookie

    Apr 22, 2004
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    Dear Comrade coachi,

    No doubt Joe Sackey will have provided the bad news to you by Personal Message, but I am not afraid to see my unexpurgated opinion stated for all to see - in the cold late of day:

    . . . . . YOUR CAR WILL FAIL THE CLASSICHE CERTIFICATION PROGRAMME . . . . . However, Joe Sackey's car has passed the Classiche Certification Programme and my understanding is that the standard exhaust has since been removed and placed under the bed, with the Tubi/Inconel or some other such none standard device fitted in its place. Joe, is a kind and generous man and I feel quite confident that he will loan you his standard exhaust pipe to get your car through the Classiche Certification Programme :)

    Happy Seasonal Greetings From England.

    With kind regards,

    512 Tea Are
     
  7. peter5

    peter5 Formula Junior

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    I agree - when the time comes to look for an F40, I will look for one with upgraded brakes, turbos, intercoolers, harnesses and whatever else I think is necessary to make it as good as Enzo could have imagined, not what he was limited to by regulations and brake technology.

    Graham, your reading comprehension skills betray your thinly veiled attempt at sounding intelligent by writing in long, complicated sentences. I believe Coachi's post was pretty clear - he understands the place of modified F40's, and prefers his car that way. This should have indicated to you that maybe he doesn't think Classiche Certification is really all that?

    If you wish, I can whip out my thesaurus just like you and likewise turn my post into a 10 page soliloquy.

    Peter
     
  8. Tipo815

    Tipo815 F1 Rookie

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    I'm with you Coachi - perhaps not to the same degree - but nevertheless totally fine with making a few upgrades. My car has OMP carbon fiber red alcantara seats, four point seatbelt harnesses, a polished shift knob, a Challenge alcantara steering wheel, and a Tubi system with straight pipes! I get to enjoy each and every upgrade everytime I drive my car! The best part of these upgrades is that they are reversible. I have all the stock pieces and could convert the car back at a moment's notice. However, seeing as I do not plan to sell it ... I imagine those stock pieces will likely gather considerable dust in my closet! :D
     
  9. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Coachi,

    I look at it this way:

    If you drive your F40 on the road then a standard un-modified car might appeal and make sense. In standard guise its plenty potent for the street.

    If you put your F40 on the track regularly, then the modifications you describe are great.

    So ultimately in the standard vs modified debate, neither is "better", and it all comes down to personal preference and what the car is being used for.

    I dont think owners of standard cars look down on modified cars (despite all the ribbing on these boards!), and I dont think the owners of modified cars care about market values etc. Even though most people look for or want a standard car and will pay more for one, there are some who particulaly want a track F40 and in that case a thoughtfully modified example is desired. But when I think of a modified F40 I cant help thinking of an F40 LM although an LM would not be dual-purpose (for road & track) like a modified F40 would be.

    I think 'personal preference' sums it up...

    Joe
    www.joesackey.com
     
  10. zsnnf

    zsnnf Formula 3

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    #10 zsnnf, Dec 27, 2007
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    So yea, why not? I buy my cars to drive, not display. I modify them for my enjoyment. I am not a big fan of the U.S. car seat belt system. So here's my list of Mods.... Oh, and a dyno sheet to help some of you understand the "Fun" factor between stock and modified. :)
    Has it lost "value"? I really don't care, I'm not selling...... The fun factor is priceless!

    Engine displacement to 3.4 litres
    Ported heads.
    Replacement cams
    LM turbos
    LM front and rear brakes
    18" Speedline wheels or 19" Kenesis
    Euro seats and seat belts. Includes Euro headliner.
    5 point racing harness for both sides. What's the fun if you can't share?
    Tubi sport exhaust or Tubi LM exhaust.
    Adjustable rear wing
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  11. SSNISTR

    SSNISTR F1 Veteran

    Feb 13, 2004
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    Nice! Over 611 RWHP, that's over 700 HP at the flywheel....impressive. You have any pics to share?
     
  12. Jati

    Jati Formula Junior

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    Am I one of the few people here that think the: "THE CLASSICHE CERTIFICATION PROGRAMME" is somewhat Gay?

    JG
     
  13. cridom60

    cridom60 Formula Junior

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    znsff,

    after selling my first F40 stradale and my F40 GTE, I am looking now to "rebuilt" a nice F40 for both road and track use.

    So I am quite impressed by your modification and the results, even if I already got several proposal from different people ready and able to manage such mods (including michelotto LM GTE pieces,...).

    Can you share your experience for such modifications, I should be pleased to get a PM for example regarding your suppliers.

    Congratulations for your car!

    Dominique
     
  14. frefan

    frefan F1 Veteran

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    LOL, no I think its just confused
     
  15. peter5

    peter5 Formula Junior

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    Nope. As much as people try to bump the "value" of their car based on the certification, it will not increase prices for those who are more than casual owners. The people that do their own homework, and get their own PPI/inspection from a real expert (not a dealership) will understand the insignificance of the certification. Regardless of what a broker tries to say.

    Peter
     
  16. TexasMike

    TexasMike F1 World Champ

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    Nope...
    During the Ferrari auction in Maranello I saw a Dino 246 & a 512 BBI, both with SF shields on the fenders. They said that all the cars were certified by the Classiche Programme but neither one of those cars ever came from the factory with shield.
     
  17. cig1

    cig1 F1 Rookie

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    Cough .. Cough !!!

    znsff ... you're on ;)

    G
     
  18. modena

    modena F1 Rookie
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    +1

    Let's see some detail pics :)
     
  19. coachi

    coachi Formula 3

    May 1, 2002
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    I have posted pictures before, when i purchased the car and it came home for me to enjoy. I will try and take some more pictures and post them. I am surprised and happy other owners feel the same way I do. As for me driving the car on the track, I havent tracked it yet, as i dont feel confident enough at my age to handle the monstrous surge of power the car has. I did not make the modifications; I am sure a stock F40 would have been quite enough for me to drive on the street as Joe Sackey suggested...but then many own cars capable of doing much more than their skills can handle. One day, I may buy a second car that would be a garage queen...and I have tried and failed twice already.

    In the meantime, if anyone runs into a set of seatbelts that were original seatbelts, for the driver's side or for both seats, I wouldnt mind hearing about them. I need those and the original shocks, and a set of exhausts which I will never use either, but then I personally will not rebuild my car to stock. As I said, I love it just the way it is. Some who have seen it probably will concur.

    As for the classiche program, I dont need anyone to tell me what a stock F40 is...I have looked at many of them and I know.
     
  20. frefan

    frefan F1 Veteran

    Apr 21, 2004
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    coachi, I had my F40 on the track the second day I owned it, its really the best and safest place to explore the car a little. Lucky for me I was the only one on the track, I dont think I would ever take it on a general track day were there are lots of inexperienced drivers. I think the F40 is a far better track car than a street car, you really should try it sometime. As for parts, Mike Sheenan has had a lot of F40 parts lately, you might want to contact them.
     
  21. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    At the RM Maranello auction some were certified but not all, as noted by Keith Martin in his SCM commentary about the sales results of those that were certified versus those that were not.

    Joe
    www.joesackey.com
     
  22. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    It depends on your location in the USA. In some areas, it so happens that the local dealer houses a man who has been involved with the F40 since the developmental days of the car over 17 years ago. Consequently, in such a case (such as Ferrari of Orange County) there is no question that a "real expert" is right there at the dealership.

    However, your point is valid if you have a dealership that has no resident F40 specialist, and granted this is the case in some states...

    Joe
    www.joesackey.com
     
  23. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Controversial yes, gay no.

    Joe
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  24. cridom60

    cridom60 Formula Junior

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    for cig1,

    have a look in F40 LM GTE thread, and stop stupid comments!
     
  25. Tipo815

    Tipo815 F1 Rookie

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    You obviously misunderstood his "cough cough" comment since it's not a stupid comment. We know Rick very well and know exactly what he had to go through in making his modifications. His point is not against the modifications themselves ... it is more directed at the whole experience Rick went through with the person who was doing the modifications.
     

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