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Molybdenum Bisulfide vs. Disulfide?

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  1. Jaymac

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    Perhaps a stupid question, but the WSM calls for “Molybdenum Bisulfide” for the catalytic convertor-to-manifold screws. Is this a grease or a powder?
    Specifically, I was checking the torque specs for the cat-to-manifold bolts, as I’m replacing a few due to stripped threads from many previous r&r’s over the years. The WSM calls to lubricate the screws with “molybdenum bisulphide”. Elsewhere, it mentions “molybdenum bisulphide grease” for other exhaust bolts.
    Either way, I can’t find any molybdenum bisulphide for sale in the US, but I’ve found plenty of molybdenum “disulphide” grease for sale.
    Re: the bisulphide, I’ve found it in both dry/powder form, and grease. As the WSM mentions both “molybdenum bisulphide” for the screws, and “molybdenum bisulphide grease” elsewhere, I’m just wondering which one I should be using on these screws, since the nuts are $18 a piece from some sources, and I’d like to do it once and do it right; or is this just another WSM typo oversight?

    I know, I’m way overthinking it. Welcome to my life :rolleyes:
     
  2. flash32

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    Typo ..use the grease

    You may consider using nickel anti seize instead ..



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  3. Jaymac

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    Thanks Dominick. What’s the advantage of nickel anti-seize?
    Also, was Ferrari specifically wanting the bisulfide vs the disulphide? Or are they interchangeable in this application?
     
  4. flash32

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    I think a typo or one and the same thing ..not different in chemical formula ..bi and di mean same.

    Nickel is high temp ..different way to protect and.alllow easier removal

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  5. mike32

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    Trade name used to be molycote, these days you can buy high temp ceramic grease to do the same job.
     
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  6. mwstewart

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    Don't spend that sort of money on the fastenings. They aren't anything special.

    All six nuts/bolts/washers cost me less than $18.

    6 of M8 x 65mm stainless bolts
    12 of M8 form A washers
    6 of M8 copper plated self-locking nuts
     
  7. Jaymac

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    Too late. They’re in the mail. I couldn’t find a replacement for the locking nuts, and the nylock nuts I’ve used in the past have meted, naturally. The bolts were only 90 cents each, I still have sleeves, springs and washers in good condition, and I was able to source the split nuts for $8 each. Still expensive, but better than most other sources.
     
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  8. 67bmer

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    Its a typo/translation error, MoS2 is the chemical formula.
     
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  9. mike32

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    These anti seize greases like copper slip is just a high temp grease with c
    you can use” Aero Nuts” locknuts with out the plastic ring
     
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  10. Jaymac

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    Nice. Hadn’t heard of aero nuts before. I’ll check them out.
     
  11. mwstewart

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    Yes, nylocs are no good for a heat application. The copper plated nuts are metal self locking and designed for an exhaust application.
     

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