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Monaco GP: Overrated

Discussion in 'F1' started by 602rwt, May 24, 2005.

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  1. 602rwt

    602rwt Rookie

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    F1 has outgrown Monaco. The course is too narrow, and therefore dangerous and without proper room to pass. Spectators have a limited view of the action.

    It was a magnificent course in the days of Fangio when the cars were smaller and speeds were down, but now it's just silly to see the world's greatest cars crammed single file on public streets.

    It will probably continue for the sake of tradition, but Monaco will never be among my favorite races.
     
  2. Hubert

    Hubert F1 Rookie

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    You should attend the race sometime. It's magnificent. As to the dangers ... Senna and Ratzenberg died at Imola, while Barchiello saw a tremendous wreck. Schumi broke a leg at Silverstone, etc all of which are "safer" tracks than Monte Carlo. I think it should stay, even if only for tradition. And the event itself is amazing.
     
  3. davel

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    Couldnt agree more. Its a great spectacle for the VIP/Marketing/Corporate folks. As far as it being a good race, not really. It will stay as the sport needs Monaco as a place to show off for the above mentioned heavy hitters in the sport.
     
  4. s_eric09

    s_eric09 Formula Junior

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    how many street courses are there in the calender now?

    'nuff said

    Monaco still great!
     
  5. racerx3317

    racerx3317 F1 Veteran

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    I'll always love Monaco.
     
  6. 4i2fly

    4i2fly Formula 3

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    There is no way Monaco will get canned. It is by far the highlight of F1, it is more than just a race IMO. I was there in 2001 and in the same year saw two other races, Indy and Canada. There is no comparison in spectator's sense between Monaco and the other venues. The course is technical and dangerous but it is also very slow compared to others...I think it averages below 100 MPH during the race. And it has had the same if not more euphoria of winning as Indy 500.
     
  7. Gatorrari

    Gatorrari F1 World Champ
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    The European tracks I would most like to see a race at are Spa and Monza, but if someone offered me a ticket to Monaco, I wouldn't say no! It's not a race to watch the action so much as an event to say that you've been to.
     
  8. PSk

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    F1 without Monaco would be like F1 without Ferrari.

    Out of all the tracks, Monaco is right up there in my top 3.

    I would just about give my left nut to have a crack at that track ... and love driving it on simulators.

    What a challenge! ... fncken awesome.

    Your narrow minded thinking is what lead to the useless oval tracks, in the pursuit of the fastest race track in the world (yep read the books that is where they came from).

    Speed is one thing, but I like a challenge and Monaco is one of the top tracks for testing drivers and cars ... perfect for F1.
    Pete
     
  9. BlueBiturbo

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    As Jackie Stewart said:
    "If a fairy god mother came to me and give me one more wish to win an F1 race, I would choose Monaco"
    -F1 Grand Prix Video-

    Monaco is not only a race, it is an event. It has been like this since the days of gentleman drivers.
    IMHO I give two thumbs up to the Monaco GP officials, they are the best officials in any GP races. They started putting the barriers 2 weeks prior to the event and put all the cranes is every important positions around the track to make sure quick clean up in case of an accident. These guys are truly professional event organizers.

    Actually the Monaco GP nowadays is less dangerous than the days of the 1,200 hp turbocharged F1 cars in the 1980's, and the only dangerous place currently in Monaco track is right after the exit of the tunnel.

    Speaking of GP simulators:
    Back in the 90's I played Grand Prix 2 (Microprose) PC game like nuts. I tried the full 2 hours race. Yep, using the old CRT non-flat monitor until my eyes turned red :) I tried it also on GP3 which has a better track texture mapping, harder to play compared to GP2. I didn't spend that much time on GP4

    Monaco is fun.
    Second... Suzuka
    Third on my list maybe Spa
     
  10. F129b

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    Overrated?? I say you're Overruled on this one!
     
  11. imperial83

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    The problem is not with the Monaco track the problem is Mickey Mouse rules that have stifled any real racing. Kimi's victory was a hollow victory which meant nothing because qualifying is a lottery system and has no real merit to performance.

    The best way to correct F1 is to start by disqualifying drivers such as JPM who cannot drive a car properly in tight conditions. The next step is to not allow teams such as Minardi who cannot keep up with the competition to race.

    Monaco is one of the greatest F1 street track ever created. That is why it has stood the test of time.

    Before getting rid of Monaco, what should happen is that Silverstone should be eliminated from the schedule. Silverstone is an antiquated track that does not belong in F1. The solution is to build more tracks like the ones in Shanghai and Bahrain.

    New venues such as Dubai, India, Poland, Czech Republic, and Mexico should be looked at to replace Silverstone. Another GP in USA will be a great investment too! :)

    It could be called the American GP! :)
     
  12. PSk

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    Boring tracks with great facilities ... you're sounding more and more like Bernie everyday.
    Mexico has held many F1 races ... thus they already have a venue. Might need an upgrade ...

    Pete
    BTW: That Bernie comment is supposed to be read as an insult ... ;)

    Also regarding Kimi's win ... even if MS was sitting beside Kimi on the grid, Kimi would have still won. The Bridgestone tyres do not seem to get up to temperature or atleast full grip until the race is over ... thus goodbye Kimi.

    Thus you can't blame Ferraris failure this year on the qualifying rules ... yes the stupid qualifying rules haven't helped but Ferrari have simply fncked up!
     
  13. imperial83

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    Oh no! Not that antiquated old track. Now that was one boring track!

    We want a great track with great facilities.

    But the start to axe tracks should be with Silverstone. Now that is one pointless waste of time tea party!
     
  14. PSk

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    Not listening ... anymore Imperial.

    Pete :)
     
  15. Anthony_Ferrari

    Anthony_Ferrari Formula 3

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    Oh go on then, I'll bite! Silverstone is a great circuit, and so is Monaco, Monza, Spa, Suzuka, Montreal, and Interlagos. All the other circuits on the F1 calendar are fairly dull. I agree that there should be another race in the US. Maybe at Road America?

    Monaco is fantastic because it is sooo different to the other circuits. It is certainly true that if the race was proposed today it would never happen, but it deserves it's place as the jewel in the F1 crown. I would love to go there one day.
     
  16. tifosi12

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    Monaco rules.
     
  17. sjb509

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    Driving on simulators at least, Monaco is by far the most difficult. Extreme caution has to be used on so many corners due to the barriers on both sides of the track.

    Try Gran Prix Legends with out traction control, it is difficult to complete 10 laps at speed without wrecking the car. Trying the drive the course anywhere near the pace of the real drivers makes me appreciate the skill of the drivers.

    Like I posted a few days ago, if they could alter the course in only 1 or 2 areas to allow for passing it would make the race much better. Tradition has its place, but they do need to do something in the next few years, or I would not be surprised to see another "glamour" event orchestrated by Bernie start to take the place of Monaco (London street race?). Fact is without the mystique of Monaco it would have been dropped years ago.
     
  18. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Very true. Driving F1 2002 Challenge I have won races on every track except at Monaco. Heck, I haven't even finished a race without at least getting a new front wing at the pits once.

    Nelson Piquet compared racing in Monaco to flying a helicopter in your living room. No room for errors. Only the best can do it.

    Monaco sometimes produces flukes like the Panis win, but in general it is no coincidence that the best of drivers have won it multiple times (Senna, Schumacher, Prost). The way Kimi won it speaks volumes about his future.
     
  19. BlueBiturbo

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    Wow! Grand Prix Legend is an impossible game to play (at least for me it is).
    Playing GP2/GP3 for 2 hours on Monaco is exhausting, even after I paused the game several times to get drinks, adjust my eyes, etc. 2 hours real-life race with 3g grip and 5g braking, heat and concentration must be painful.

    Now imagine driving a *REAL* 2005 F1 car in one lap in 1:13.6 (Kimi's 1st Q time), daaang!
     
  20. fluque

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    You clearly don't know what you are talking about.
     
  21. sjb509

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    Before paddle shifters the drivers would add extra padding to their right glove to keep blisters from forming on their shifter hand. There are over 3000 gear changes during the race.

    Eddie Cheever once described finishing and noticing his right hand felt sticky. He looked down and saw that his hand was bleeding from all of the shifting. His concentration was so great during the race that he hadn't even noticed.

    In the old days the course was not fully lined, in some places there were street lights lining the course. Some drivers also wrecked after the tunnel and plunged into the Mediterranean.
     
  22. sjb509

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    One time I finished third (F1-2001) at full distance, but there were only four finishers in my race (driving a Prost!)...

    In 99-02 Challenge, try Monaco, in Monsoon conditions, without traction/stability/ABS assist. Impossible.
     
  23. Anthony_Ferrari

    Anthony_Ferrari Formula 3

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    I think that fact about Imperial was established quite some time ago. You will soon getused to him and learn to ignore most of his posts as they are all pretty much the same. ;)
     
  24. Anthony_Ferrari

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  25. fluque

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    will do !
    btw I would add Indy to your list of GP's... (I'm in the US what can I say)
     

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